SHARK TANK STORY | My First Million Podcast
Shark Tank, Biggest Deal, and $1 Million in 4 Days - March 4, 2020 (about 5 years ago) • 11:12
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Shaan Puri | The other thing that's interesting is you were on shark tank | |
Julia Cheek | I was | |
Shaan Puri | So, as a fan of reality TV, Sam and I both watched *The Challenge*, probably the trashiest reality show that they're doing. But it's nice.
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Sam Parr | to see the finale of the netflix one | |
Shaan Puri | of which one the circle | |
Sam Parr | no the one where they get married after living in a room | |
Shaan Puri | love is blind yeah but didn't it all come out already didn't they just release it | |
Sam Parr | today today | |
Shaan Puri | I'm at I'm at episode 3 of that one good show | |
Sam Parr | it's a pretty awesome show | |
Shaan Puri | pretty good show have you seen it | |
Julia Cheek | I haven't seen it yet | |
Shaan Puri | do you know the premise | |
Julia Cheek | I do know the premise they put people in rooms and then they don't see each other | |
Shaan Puri | yes so it's it's actually pretty cool as a ser experiment | |
Julia Cheek | have to | |
Sam Parr | get married yeah they have to get married or | |
Shaan Puri | You get cut off the show. Like, literally, you don't even get eliminated "Survivor" style; they just edit you out. You're just not shown ever again if you didn't propose.
So what ends up happening is it's 10 days behind a wall. You talk to this person, and you're speed dating basically behind a wall. You're kind of deciding who you like.
Then someone proposes through the wall. They're like, "Can you come close to the wall, please? I'm on a knee now, and I want to ask you to marry me."
But the thing is, I thought that's where the show would end. Then they put them in the real world together and say, "Alright, you're going to get married in 30 days and see what happens."
It's pretty interesting stuff. Okay, so good job, Netflix! Shout out.
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Julia Cheek | to you I was | |
Sam Parr | actually with | |
Shaan Puri | **Shark Tank**—tell me about how it came about. You applied many times. One time, how did you get on?
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Julia Cheek | Yeah, so *Shark Tank* was... honestly, I am a huge fan of the show. I also am a huge fan of my own experience. That's not something I think everyone has to say, but I always tell people I think it can be a really game-changing thing for entrepreneurs if you do it the right way. It is a lot of freaking work. A ton of work, really. So I...
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Shaan Puri | once you're on or before you're on | |
Julia Cheek | before you're on okay so I would say like so I we aired in november of 2017 | |
Shaan Puri | go to the beginning how'd you even audition | |
Julia Cheek | Like a 9-month process of... I say the year of 2017, 80% of my year was short talk. So we applied. It's a... and by "we," it's like a 50-page written application, online or... no, it is printed and written out. I tried to use a PDF editor. I mean, it was...
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Sam Parr | it's a writer | |
Julia Cheek | yeah like you know it was like a decade ago | |
Shaan Puri | so you write this whole thing up | |
Julia Cheek | I wrote this whole thing out. I will be honest, I was a finalist at TechCrunch Battlefield in 2016. The producer's scout...
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Shaan Puri | from gotcha so they reached out maybe | |
Julia Cheek | so they reached out | |
Sam Parr | that's cool | |
Julia Cheek | So, it's kind of like if you're thinking about *American Idol*—maybe, which I would never be. You either can get contacted and sort of get in the front to do an audition, or you kind of...
So, it's not that I had necessarily a better chance, but I did get shortcut into the application process. I filled that out. The application probably takes about 40 hours, and then you have to sign all their contracts and basically sign your identity and image away to ABC for *in perpetuity*.
From there, you do a voice interview with producers, and you also do a video interview as part of the application. Then, there's another video interview of your pitch. After that, the producers work with you for about four months to get on like what is your story, what is your brand, and what is your script. Ultimately, it's your... what I think people don't realize.
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Shaan Puri | on the human interest story | |
Julia Cheek | It's a human interest story. You are there to make good reality TV, but it is your decision. The producers will help you and advise you, but this is your gig. It's up to you to decide how you want to display yourself and who you want to be on TV. But...
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Shaan Puri | so do you still remember your not | |
Julia Cheek | to air you | |
Shaan Puri | do you still remember your opening because you probably drilled it like a 1000 times | |
Julia Cheek | I did, I did. And I will tell you, I thought I was really good and comfortable at public speaking. Then I did this, and I was like, "Okay, I was really bad."
Now, I'm comfortable. Yeah, money from them. I did. So, I signed or I shook on the largest deal ever for a female entrepreneur in terms of valuation. Wow!
So, yeah, with Lori Greiner, she is on board. She's been tremendous.
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Shaan Puri | because of qvc or what | |
Julia Cheek | And for me, it was really at the time we had no brick-and-mortar retail presence. I knew that creating a product that was actually accessible and ubiquitous was a priority for us. In hindsight, that's actually been a really good move for us.
I felt that she would be invaluable in helping us to get there, and she helped with some of those stores. Yeah, she really helped us to get established.
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Shaan Puri | does she help | |
Julia Cheek | Some of those stores, yeah, she really helped with packaging and branding. She made something that's accessible when you're trying to sell a testing kit.
People either think it's a DNA kit or they have no idea what it is. Being able to differentiate that when you have like 10 seconds to grab something is crucial.
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Sam Parr | how much of a check did she write | |
Julia Cheek | so the deal we shook on was | |
Sam Parr | why did you say shook | |
Shaan Puri | because there's the shake on it and then there's the actual deal | |
Julia Cheek | what's the | |
Sam Parr | actual deal | |
Julia Cheek | I can't disclose that oh come on however it's different | |
Sam Parr | yes better or worse | |
Julia Cheek | better for the company and probably better for lori | |
Shaan Puri | And better, because honestly, why does the deal change? Normally, there's due diligence, and they might change it, probably for their favor. But you're saying it went better for you guys. How does it improve?
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Julia Cheek | so there was a and it's very case by case so what happens after the show is can I | |
Shaan Puri | Pause you one second. I want to make sure you project because your audio... what you're saying is great. I want to make sure we're getting it all, so my audio paranoia.
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Julia Cheek | just make | |
Shaan Puri | sure you're talk louder than you're comfortable talking | |
Julia Cheek | So, after you shake on the deal on the show, a fair number of those deals— I think it's something like over half—never come to fruition at all. Then, another quarter or so actually change, and another quarter gets done at terms that I don't know much about.
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Sam Parr | you show up screw | |
Julia Cheek | yeah the sharks I think it | |
Sam Parr | screw these | |
Julia Cheek | Each shark has a different approach. So, like, I don't know what each shark's process is. I can say Lori's was super fair. They go through very detailed diligence on everything.
But, you know, what the show actually does is diligence on you. They have a venture analyst on board, so they run diligence on you before you ever pitch. | |
Sam Parr | what was your valuation | |
Julia Cheek | That you guys agreed on. I pitched... my valuation was $20,000,000 post-money.
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Sam Parr | and how much did she invest | |
Julia Cheek | so that was a pay for you | |
Sam Parr | or whatever | |
Julia Cheek | it was a line of credit deal at an 8% interest rate for 5% of the company | |
Shaan Puri | And was it like, you know, "Hey, deal offer on the spot," or did you have this long pause where you're like, "Can I think and write this down?" | |
Julia Cheek | Well, in my case, every shark was out. I actually knew I wanted either Laurie or Mark Cuban. Sorry, Laurie or Mark Cuban. I was really excited about it, and I really did want to work with her. It was a good deal. So, I actually sat on the show because you're supposed to negotiate.
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Sam Parr | right | |
Julia Cheek | I said because it makes good tv | |
Shaan Puri | yes | |
Julia Cheek | and so I said I know I'm supposed to negotiate but I wanna take this deal | |
Shaan Puri | right | |
Julia Cheek | So, I didn't... You do have it. It's really what you see. Like, you can exit. You can talk about it with your partner. You can call a lifeline or a friend. They may edit that out or whatever else, but you can take a minute to think about it.
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Shaan Puri | What's something people don't see or don't realize that is different from having actually gone through it versus watching it? What's one difference?
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Julia Cheek | I think people know it's edited. I don't think people realize how long the actual filming time can be. From when you walk in and walk out, they edit it down to about 5 minutes.
So, it varies, but mine was probably an hour, and they edited it to 7 minutes. Some people's footage has gone on for up to 2 to 3 hours, while others are only 15 minutes.
I think, you know, it's edited to a degree, but I don't think you realize how much discussion actually happens.
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Sam Parr | was lori investing her own money | |
Julia Cheek | she she is investing her own money | |
Sam Parr | yeah so then does she have a fund or is it literally just hers | |
Julia Cheek | it is in a fund structure but it's her capital | |
Shaan Puri | how it's her money she's worked | |
Julia Cheek | You know, I don't know. I will say she is a prolific salesperson in the sense that she has relationships with the top 3 or 4 companies from *Shark Tank*. I mean companies that have done like a quarter of a billion in sales, like *Squatty Potty*. She has a relationship with each of those companies and is invested in each of them.
I suspect quite a bit, not to mention her own patent portfolio and the success she's had with products. But do they have a great team?
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Sam Parr | But do those pay cash flow? I mean, who cares if you... I mean, it's important, but if you own equity in that business.
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Julia Cheek | and there's not an exit | |
Sam Parr | yeah so I | |
Julia Cheek | don't know where's | |
Sam Parr | her cash coming from | |
Julia Cheek | I don't know I don't know | |
Sam Parr | I'd be very yeah | |
Shaan Puri | sam's gonna get to the bottom of | |
Julia Cheek | this yeah I'd be very happy because well because I also agree | |
Sam Parr | with bad checks | |
Julia Cheek | well and I also don't know | |
Shaan Puri | she takes that saudi money | |
Julia Cheek | No, she's... each deal is different, right? So, like, she does it just like any deal is different. Right? She's negotiating a deal with me, right? That's different. I don't know what the terms are, you know, with the rest of her companies.
I do know she has put all of these companies on the map, from Scrub Daddy to Squatty Potty. These companies have incredible consumer products. Now, she delivers.
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Sam Parr | said it's funny | |
Julia Cheek | so | |
Shaan Puri | so you do | |
Julia Cheek | I'm telling you, I think it seems to be... actually, I don't have one, but it does seem very popular. Yeah, apparently.
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Shaan Puri | So, okay, Everly, I have a question for you. How do you actually administer the test?
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Julia Cheek | on hand | |
Sam Parr | one more question about shark tick no one on shark tick how much traffic did your did your site get | |
Shaan Puri | oh yeah | |
Julia Cheek | so we got | |
Shaan Puri | this is back 3 years ago | |
Julia Cheek | it was it was november we aired it | |
Sam Parr | better than now because there's more oh yeah tv more | |
Julia Cheek | Than right. It aired the night before Cyber Monday. It was Thanksgiving weekend; it couldn't have been a better day. Although my poor team, they were wonderful. They canceled all their Thanksgivings. It was a lot of work, but we got about 30 times our normal traffic.
We had an interesting experience. We didn't have this tremendous spike the night of in terms of purchases, but we ended up doing about **$1,000,000** in sales, which at the time was a tremendously large number for us in like the four days after.
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Shaan Puri | right | |
Julia Cheek | The show... so there's been a little bit of this interesting thing for us that I haven't heard many other companies mention. We doubled, like, we doubled in that week on a run rate standpoint. Then we continued doubling the next month, and we never had that decline.
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Sam Parr | right | |
Julia Cheek | But we didn't have this spike in like the 3-hour period that we aired. Yeah, we had a lot of traffic. I think it was like 1,000,000.
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Sam Parr | a 1000000 unique studios yeah | |
Julia Cheek | so and we did I mean we had to I mean at the time we were not set up for that scale now we | |
Sam Parr | don't even have to think | |
Julia Cheek | We've always been on Stripe, not WooCommerce or Shopify.
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Shaan Puri | bigcommerce we've | |
Julia Cheek | built we've built on it now and like totally customized it | |
Shaan Puri | something else it's not | |
Julia Cheek | I know, but it's one of the big ones that actually I think we should have gone to Shopify, but we didn't. Gotcha. So I shouldn't name them because it's going to sound bad, right?
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Shaan Puri | shout out to toby from shopify | |
Julia Cheek | yes exactly | |
Shaan Puri | I like to think he's listening | |
Julia Cheek | yeah so | |
Shaan Puri | might be we're trying to get him on | |
Julia Cheek | I was gonna say that valuation right | |
Shaan Puri | yeah that value so he also streams on twitch great guy | |
Julia Cheek | Oh, so yeah, we saw a really good traffic increase, but it was a very different pattern. Lori warned us about that. She said some companies sell out immediately, while others experience a slow burn. That was the case for us, but we did not crash, which was essential.
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