Elon’s wildest interview yet — our reaction

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He goes if you get things done I love you and if you don't I hate you I thought that was so great

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what a weirdo

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when I heard it I was like that's how sam is can I tell you about this elon musk podcast did you did you listen to this cheeky pint episode with elon

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I saw it didn't listen to it

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you gotta listen to this thing this is an amazing podcast I think who's

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the indian guy I I started seeing him pop up like out of nowhere

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dorkash dorkash is a podcaster he's got the he's got his own youtube channel and and whatnot he is this unicorn because he's a good he's a really good podcaster like he's got good energy good vibe you like listening he's like an authentic nerd in a way but he's also technical so the one of the reasons this podcast is really interesting is because normally elon says something and he'll be like I predict that in four years we will have you know whatever 10 more data centers in space than we have on on earth cumulatively and then what me or you or joe rogan or any of us would do when he says that walmart woah

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yeah

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that's crazy man how how are you gonna do that right that it's like that like come on bro like you know that's that's all we're capable of like our little peanut mind can only do so much

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but elon that that doesn't make sense because electricity doesn't work the same way in space or whatever

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yeah he he was pushing back the whole time to where I was like is elon gonna throw his drink in his face like what's going on here is he gonna get mad that this guy keeps pushing back on every idea that he says and then because he pushed back so he would be like but why do we need that we can you're talking about this much energy that could be done by this many solar panels that could fit in just nevada so why do we need space to power this and then elon would be like well here's the reason why permitting and blah blah blah blah blah and he's like but won't there be other problems in space you know that are just as difficult how are you gonna how are you gonna fix a broken gpu when it's in space like what are gonna do for maintenance that's gonna be incredibly difficult to do when floating in space and elon was like you know then had to like come back with a counterpoint each time so that that was one remarkable thing about the podcast was somebody with enough technical acumen to on the fly so he so elon would say something about space and then he'd be like so if you're gonna do 10,000 launches that means you're launching a a starship every hour every hour you're gonna do a starship launch how many have you done the last you've done like you know three or whatever in the last year like that's is that even possible to do an hour every hour and then elon would be like well you know there's more planes than that taking off from airports

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so

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yes and then they would like go into why that's like either correct or incorrect so it's really funny because the founder of stripe is sitting there right this is it was all it was like a collab it was on cheeky pint which is made by the stripe guy and he probably asked five questions total in three hours and dwarkesh asked 500 baby did dwarkesh but it was exactly what was needed and shout out to the guy from stripe for letting that play out the way it did I thought it made for a great podcast

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did he best elon in anything

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no no it wasn't like a one upsmanship but it was definitely a I'm not just gonna let you say that shit like wait so what do you know that I don't know because I would just think this and he would like earnestly ask the question and he'd be like okay I buy that that does this but I don't see the connection you made to this and so he forced him to keep going which I thought was great

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did you feel the same sense that I feel when I see a white guy with a 100 meter - or like

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a sense of national pride yeah

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like yeah when chris anderson what's the white

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cornerback in the nfl is

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that how you felt

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a little bit I'm if I'm being honest a little bit actually I felt scared for him I was like dude tone it down it's a little crazy you just get a little you get a little feisty here but he was also like autistically like unaware of like so I like I can't not ask this I have to ask this because I wanna know the answer to it and I thought that was so great he's so earnest in the way he does everything it's great

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alright so you're like what what what like high fiving your wife watching it like a world star hip hop yeah where we at where we at next

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I may or may not have bought a dwarkesh you know hoodie after that so can I tell you some of the crazy things that elon said

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did he mention epstein at all

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he did not they didn't go into they were they basically were like we're gonna use this time to talk about like technology not like the woke whether blah blah like politics elon they like did a very minimal amount of that they did a little bit on doge at the end but like not not much I'll tell you first just like a useful thing and then I'll tell you some of the crazy things because the crazy things you're gonna be like we're both again gonna be like woah man but but let's just do the useful thing so he they asked about hiring so they were basically getting into their like so how do you do like what are you doing differently than the rest of us like what what is it that you're doing that's leading to all of this incredible like individually any one any one of your companies is doing incredible things right spacex trillion dollar company x ai came into the ai game like I don't know seven years late or something like that and became a $250,000,000,000 company

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I I saw that x ai thing I didn't even know what it is

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have you ever used grok it's it's elon's competitor to chatgpt which is the product is called grok it's his revenge company because when openai kinda screwed him and like did exactly the opposite of what he wanted right openai open source ai that's you know a nonprofit and now it's a for profit closed source company and he funded $50,000,000 and now owns none of it like his revenge company was x ai but again seven seven eight years late to the game and still caught up tesla obviously worth more than the next 20 car companies combined so it's it's like you know he's any one of these companies dominate all of these companies supernova what is this what's even happening and so they're asking about hiring and they were like you must have incredible people because just by logic there's no way you could be in five of these companies at the same time doing the things yourself so you must have incredible people how are you getting these people and so they're like what do you look for when you hire because he hired I guess the first thousand people at spacex or thousand + people at spacex he interviewed them himself and he just goes I'm looking for evidence of exceptional ability and he goes sometimes I would see a resume and I'd like this person sounds great he goes but I've learned you trust the conversation not the resume so he's like if in that first twenty minutes I'm not saying wow I believe the conversation and I don't believe the resume and he goes all I ask them for in the interview is tell me about something something exceptional you've done I'm looking for evidence of exceptional ability and if they can't tell me a story he goes if they say one thing or you know one to three things that I'm just saying wow wow wow that's all I'm looking for when I have

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does he define that

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of exceptional ability

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yeah like could it be like I was an ncaa athlete and I was I won I won

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he's looking for technical technical achievements or like things you've built or done technically and he was saying he he's like you know he's like he's like it's not that I'm batting a thousand right I make a lot of mistakes he goes but at this? I've have probably you know to use like the ai terms I have the most training data probably you know out there of hiring like technical talent you know I've been doing this for a long time and I've interviewed so many of these people myself and I've gotten to see what worked and what didn't and then I revised my training you know I have a big training set and I revised my own I r l'd myself and I redid reinforcement learning on myself in order to figure out what should I actually be looking for what what do I actually want and then they were like they asked them this great question they go what do you look for in like a sparring partner so like what does it take to work well with elon and you know what do you want and he goes I don't want a sparring partner I want you to execute well if he goes if someone executes well I'm a huge fan if they don't I hate them he he goes I don't care about my own idiosyncratic preferences he goes if you get things done I love you and if you don't I hate you I thought that was so great

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what a weirdo

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you say that I feel like you're the same way dude I literally feel like when I heard it I was like that's how sam is

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well I just took andrew wilkinson's like personality test

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you see him tweet that thing out the other day

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yeah your boy's autistic apparently that's so literally what's the test

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wait why didn't we lead with that

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yeah and the good news yeah breaking tell tbpn I need to

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get one of those little like announcement things yeah

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I get the date

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this is

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better than your

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birthday february 9

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that was

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your awakening day

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a day the good news the big a day

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maybe now our podcast can get into the top top charts here we need to break into the top 10 we we've been lacking

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yeah it turns out yeah capital a autistic and so maybe elon and I I don't know maybe he's got the good type of autistic though

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I I yeah he's got the math one and you

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have yeah we both got

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the one where we are just awkward in social situations and we say things like I was wanting to got the social one

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and you got the math one by the way for anyone who's a fan we say this with extreme love and a sense of humor about this there's a long running joke which is like in san francisco like one of the highest status it's one of the highest status things you could have and that's where the the origin of the joke comes from

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alright so a lot of people watch and listen to the show because they wanna hear us just tell them exactly what to do when it comes to starting or growing a business now a lot of people message sean and I and they say alright I wanna start something on the side is this a good idea is that a good idea and again what they're really just saying is just give me the ideas well my friends you're in luck so my old company the hustle they put together a 100 different side hustle ideas and they have appropriately called it the side hustle idea database it's a list of a 100 pretty good ideas frankly I went through them they're awesome and it gives you how to stardom how to grow them things like that gives you a little bit of inspiration so check it out it's called the side hustle idea database it's in the description below you'll see the link click it check it out let me know in the comments what you think

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can I tell you another thing he said in this so he was like they kept asking they were like okay so like what are you doing differently he goes I just have a maniacal sense of urgency and he goes I shoot for a deadline that I have a 50% probability of success and people make fun of me because that means half the time I'm late and I'm wrong about my deadline and I miss my deadlines but it's worth it because he goes work is like a gas it expands to fill the time you give it and so I just don't give it much time and so okay that was that was good now let me tell you about some of the crazy stuff

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so wait that's actually really interesting I get criticized within my own company of doing that of creating like these super urgent and people get worn out and then like hermosy who I who I think is a really smart business guy he like preaches all the time of like have patience and everything like that it's it's a hard dichotomy to to handle

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yeah I think it's sort of a like long term patience as in you're not gonna give up and you're gonna stay at it I think short term maniacal sense of urgency is it on the task so it's like patient with the mission and maniacal about the task is is probably the way way to do it so here's another thing that I picked up he might have said the phrase limiting factor 400 times in three hours have you ever said that phrase so if one thing came out of this it was how elon thinks and works is you have a huge mission right we're gonna go to mars we're gonna build the first electric car company we're gonna build artificial general intelligence right like whatever it is huge mission you have maniacal sense of urgency great that's the second component and what's the third one it's this idea of the limiting factor and so at any given time all he's doing is he's sort of scanning for what is the limiting factor as in what is the bottleneck that's preventing us from getting to the outcome sooner right now so for example with ai right now they're like you're doing these space data stations data centers that sounds crazy why are you doing this why can't we just do it on earth and he's basically like well to make ai smarter we need bigger like data set more compute and so you're either gonna be limited by chips initially we were limited by chips so I started building chips so like tesla's building like their own gpus to like you know like the equivalent of the nvidia chips and he bought he bought the most you know he bought like huge orders of nvidia chips and you know told jensen like give me everything you got the second thing is power and so he's like the limiting factor is now power not chips he's like I suspect that actually in the next you know twenty four thirty six months there will be more gpu chips that can't be turned on so the limiting factor will not be chips anymore we're not constrained by chips we will be constrained by power availability and so then he's like and so they walked through they're like so what do you mean so like why can't you just connect to the grid and he's like you can't connect to the grid for these reasons they're like okay well why can't you do it off grid why can't you just get a buy a like a power plant and power your own chips not connect to the grid he's like well there's three companies that make the power plants and they're all booked out till 2032 we can't build the power plants fast enough but there's not enough people or projects and time to build enough power plants as we're gonna need and they're like well specifically like what's the so then he's like specifically why he's like actually it's the turbines inside the power plants that we cannot procure in time and there's this many companies that make the turbines and actually within the turbine it's the blades and veins that you can't do and so we're gonna try to make them at tesla but even that will take time and so we're limited by this and so I'm throwing all my weight into whatever is the limiting factor at any given time in this business and so it ended up with like f it we're gonna launch these data centers in space that's the way to get around this limiting factor but over and over and over again in the whole podcast it's basically like the formula is like identify the limiting factor and then go ape shit to get over it and most people don't do either of the two they don't actually correctly address or identify the limiting factor and then if even if they did they don't go ape shit right and so ever since this podcast it like any meeting I've had so like know I check-in with kind of my portfolio companies and I've just gone full elon on them where I'm just like so we want this outcome what's the limiting factor and then the ceo will talk for five minutes I'm like cool you didn't answer my question what's the limiting factor well limiting factor is x okay great why are you talking about all these other things besides x x is the limiting factor so all we're gonna focus on is x okay well what does that okay so what does that mean now now once you identify that you need to drop everything else just focus on x and then go ape shit on it and he would say he's like in my companies if something's going because something is going well you're not gonna see me right now the boring company's going well I don't spend any time on it because it's going well if it hits a roadblock and there's a limiting factor and they can't solve it then I will come in and I'll throw my full force my full weight at it and I just thought this simple operating philosophy I think can serve a lot of people is to identify the limiting factor and then figure out how to throw your entire weight against it and you know sort of if you gotta go over the wall over through the wall around the wall under the wall whatever you gotta do you gotta get past that wall like I I don't know like I don't if you wanna play the game but like right now let's take hampton for example what's the limiting factor in hampton thought exercise

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yeah so we basically only do two things we get the best people to join a core group and then we allow them to have good conversations and so for us the limiting factor in order to expand to chapters globally is to get more of the the best people so more people

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what's the limiting factor on more good people

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well I could probably make a list of five things that we could do for example we could ask for referrals more than we do we could probably spend more on advertising

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so okay so those would be solutions but just one level deeper into the problem so like we have a lot of people they're not good or we have good people but we just don't have enough of them we don't have enough people applying?

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We're limiting our prospects to only 13 cities and so we need to open that up in order we we have thousands and thousands of people applying every single month but we limit it only to 13 cities

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so what what's the limiting factor of opening up 13 more cities

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just bandwidth probably of like having someone really focus on a particular city because once one person joins or a prospect shows interest in let's say birmingham how do we find seven other people who are interested and then the way that we will eventually scale that is we will instead pivot our business to where moderators are basically franchisees owners and they have to go and help recruit seven other people once we give them one person and so they're running their own little coaching business

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right and so a useful exercise in this case would be basically what's stopping us from doing it tomorrow so let's say tomorrow you wanted to open 10 cities what would actually break if you if you open 10 cities tomorrow

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well a customer would potentially be angry because they'd have to a long time until we found seven other people in let's say birmingham

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and so then you say is that true is there is there not or do we have so to have 10 cities you need how many members like to activate that city

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well you just need one core group of eight people

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so you need so you need 80 people so you need eight per city do you have eight do you have eight that are ready to open one city tomorrow or no like could you open one tomorrow yes could you open two tomorrow

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probably maybe but like it would get hard I need more I would need more people and then the question would be like well why do I need more people well you know

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why can't I just do it with less people

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yeah yeah okay so so you start to get into like the nuts and bolts of it right but like if we just even just look at what just happened right it was like started with a high level problem we need more power right in your case it was like we need more good people and then you got to turbines and blades and veins is the limiting factor which was like actually mississippi has four people and we need eight right that's the turbines that's the blades and veins level of detail and so you know could you do if we wanna do we need to do 10 could I do one yes could I do two no what happened at two why did one to two break right so you sort of okay there's a limiting factor somewhere between one and two what's what's different what's what happened there and also a second ago you were like we could ask for referrals we could do x we could do y it's almost like we jump to solutions really quickly and what I think actually happens in these companies is we sort of already have in our mind a bunch of pet projects of good ideas generically good ideas but not specifically problem solving ideas and I think the one big sign of one big source of waste in companies is when everybody wants to do their pet projects or everybody wants to do their generically good ideas rather than the specifically effective ideas that are gonna solve the current bottleneck that is right in front of us that we could unblock for tomorrow

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I think this makes sense I think it's hard to pull off I think that like it's hard to pull off just because of interpersonal relationships a lot of people would like approach this and be like well I'm doing all these other things like how dare you like tell me just do this one thing like you don't understand like how are we gonna keep the business running you know what I mean that's the the the pushback mostly

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totally and and I think that's by the way that's a very real thing like hey we're gonna focus on this and it's like well actually you don't really realize I'm holding up this entire ship by keeping these six trains running on time and I have to keep doing that so a lot of people a lot of times I've seen this where it's like could tell the good people in my company they're like yeah hear what you're saying and I'm gonna do that I'm not even gonna like I'm gonna have to keep some of these these trains running and you're we don't need to discuss it I just know it needs to get done and blah blah blah what I found is pretty effective is to address it in the in the call so what I'll do is I'll address the trade off so I'll say so here's what that means by focusing on this what that means is that this area where we actually know how to improve it and we have a bunch of good ideas and maybe even two things that are in flight we're actually just not gonna do any of those and we're gonna accept mediocre progress here for exceptional progress here and nobody wants to say that out loud but I'm gonna say it out loud because it's true we have a trade off of energy and focus and intention and if we're gonna move it all over here that's what that means over there we're all saying out loud yes we understand and accept this it's like accepting the terms and conditions when you sign up for a website it's like yes you're gonna sell my data so yep over here we're gonna make far less progress than we want and I think this happens throughout life right you you have a kid and you're like wow this is really important well guess what's gonna be a little less important is like your work for the next three months and your gym routine is gonna go out the window and you just have to like you know if you don't accept those trade offs you're just gonna feel a constant underlying state of anxiety or stretch yourself too thin and do a poor job of everything rather it's actually just better to say well great for this season this is what matters and I'm I'm okay with a less than stellar rate of progress I will only do this amount to keep this running but beyond that I will not be doing for this next.

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Of time

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are you good at not bitching at them about why this thing sucks for example for the hustle was grow email list therefore social media does not matter and then I why does our social

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media suck

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why does our social media suck yeah

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yeah yeah well I give them permission to I mean we put the the thing right in front of us like front and center we like I'm I'm a obnoxious repeater so like every day when I start my day I will say hey here's our goals for the year here's the things we said matter here's what matters this week and I'm like a bot but because I realized like if I don't keep repeating it people don't even know what we're trying to do and we don't like so I try to get a really crisp set of things really really crisp clear set of things we're doing and I will repeat it so much to the. That I myself remember we said social media doesn't matter all that matters is growing email list and they have permission to be like wait but social media doesn't matter all that matters is the list and it takes some time to work together where you kinda screw that up it's like you reflect why was this last month not as productive as we wanted and then you sort of come to the powwow and realize like well it's because we said we were gonna focus on these things but then we kept getting distracted and you know wanted to also do these five other things and guess what when we try to do it all like we can have anything we just can't have everything all at once and you learn that the hard way once twice and it's like you know george bush you know fool me once shame on me fool me twice don't fool me again you know it becomes that at a certain.

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So the good thing you know I've worked with ben for like six years so we kinda know like yo we've stepped in that gum before like do we really want that on our shoe again I can kinda see it coming if we're gonna do this or you're saying this but remember this is like that other time so let's just stay focused

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you see that george bush quote and they're like you're rapping

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seamless

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that was great what's the quote

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fool me once shame on me fool me twice don't fool me again

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yeah he like loses the quote he's like fool me twice don't you can't keep fooling me it's like an old timer can I show you one other clip that I thought was pretty just I don't know wild

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from elon yeah is it the clip about how he lied about not going to jeffrey epstein's island

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no did he go actually

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I'm not sure if he went or not but he said that

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he refused to go but the emails say that he was actually begging to go

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yeah yeah yeah hey we're gonna be around town you guys got anything going on yeah definitely alright watch this

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vastly more intelligent than humans so in some sense you're

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like a doomer and this is like

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the best we've got it's just like it keeps it around because we're interesting I'm I'm just trying to be realistic here if if we have if if ai intelligence is vastly more if if ai is like you know let let's say that there's a there's a million times more silicon intelligence than there is biological it's it's I think it's it it would be foolish to assume that that there's any any way to maintain control over over that now you can make sure it has the right values or you can try to have have the right values

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okay so I don't know if I I think I might have picked the wrong time stamp a little bit there but

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here's what minutes in and they're they barely drink their their drink

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no there's refills there's refills well one of the funny jokes is that dorkash doesn't touch his pint he just keeps bringing it up to his mouth and it just wets his beard and then it goes back down with the same amount in it while the other guys are just like crushing them alright so here's what he says about ai so the the the topic is how do you make sure that ai you know ends up being good for humanity and he says something where he goes they were like they were like do you stay in control and he says if you have intelligence that's a 100 times smarter than any human it's hard to imagine that the humans stay in control and then the second thing then they go so wait are you like a doomer here like you know you just think we're doomed and he goes I'm just trying to be realistic here if ai is vastly more intelligent like there's a million more times silicon intelligence to biological I think it would be foolish to believe that we can maintain control over that all you could do is try to make sure it has the right values like kind of like basically it goes on like

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you're crazy to kids

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that it would keep us around and I just thought that's a pretty stunning admission for a guy who's building ai to basically say out loud this thing is gonna be so much smarter than humans and when it is the idea that the human like chimps are gonna stay in control of the humans like that the humans are gonna be in control of this thing that's a 100 times or a thousand times or a million

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times it doesn't make more sense than to me because is foolish like you know the ego is the reason why like napoleon's napoleon you know like the reason to dom like like does does a computer have the need to dominate

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it's not even that it dominates it's that we don't control it so for example like if we say cool I want you to run all decisions by me but it makes decisions a thousand times better than any human alive in the history of mankind realistically if you gave it the mission of being successful is it actually gonna run the run the decisions by you

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that's what I'm asking does it actually have the mission to be successful like a human has

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well you're gonna give it the mission even if even if the human is the one prompting it

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say got it

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hey I want you to make this thing really I want you to help me become president I want you to build this successful company I want you to build this technology do you think after that it's going to care what you

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have well you say could turn it off if you turned it on that's like the like humans have a compulsion to be right to a lot of humans have a compulsion to be nice to reciprocate it doesn't have compulsions and so like can can you churn it the way that you just told it to dominate or to win can you also say win less you

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might then the next guy says no I wanna win stay on all it takes is one guy to to not turn it off right like that's same thing with one country to not have safeguards on it

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have you

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seen the ai social network where they're like all ai guys talking about like how they're gonna dominate humans

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yeah although that might be like kinda faked it's unclear at this? If that's fake or real like it might be that humans are saying say something like this because it freaks everybody out goes viral have you seen this elon tweeted this this meme I don't wanna live in a world where someone else makes humans irrelevant before we do

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that does how that is kinda how it feels it yeah but like I hope he's wrong

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yeah even with spacex you know he's talking about like you know the goal is for you know the the original mission with spacex is to like preserve the they call it like the candle of consciousness like basically like if something happened to earth if we're a single planet species like all consciousness could get wiped out it should be really important that we're a multiplanetary species so that like

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really good phrase

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human consciousness or intelligence like you know lives on and in this interview he kinda backs off that he's like you know consciousness is we don't really know what that is so let's just say intelligence because x ai just merged with spacex and he's like so you know at least intelligence will propagate through the internet it's basically like the robots and the chips and the ai will will definitely be multiplanetary whether we are or not like he basically his argument and so dwarkash is like why do you think that they would care that humans survive and he's like well you know there's no reason to kill us dwarkash is like that's not very reassuring it was essentially the way that that he put it he's like you know humans are interesting and we're part of consciousness so like if you wanna maximally expand consciousness you would keep humans around right there's not a big advantage to doing it it's like woah if that's what if that's the last if that's the moral victory we're clinging to this is a pretty startling thing so I just thought that's that's a kinda crazy admission that that he was making can I tell you two other just insane things from this so he's talking about what he's doing with his ai project which I don't think he's ever really talked about before have you ever heard of this macro hard project

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no what's it called macro hard yes it's like like the like the 70 for third or what's that called 70 for 70 where you gotta like run a mile every day for seventy days 70 hard

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75 hard

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that's what it's on

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no no he made it the opposite of Microsoft so he's like what's the opposite of Microsoft it's macro hard and basically he was doing what he's doing is he's building what he calls human emulators so here's the elon philosophy or the like strategy that kind of got revealed during this podcast so the strategy is how do you win well he goes if you think in the limit what is the what is the most that ai can do before before you have like robots that are you know like artificially intelligent robots which they're trying to build at tesla right so tesla's building optimus which is the robot that can do any of the work that a human could do and you know that's that's robots he goes what's so what is he doing with his software play it's he goes think in the limit well the limit is if you're not in a robot it's anything a human can do on a computer and so he's like basically he's I think he says within like twelve or twenty four months he believes that ai will be able to do anything that a human can do on a computer so he calls it a so they're building what they call the human emulator so it's a ai that can work like do anything a human could do with a computer so like I have an executive assistant so the idea would be obviously the ai would be able to do everything she does for me so researching things booking things you know making anything happen that's obviously there but also you and I doing this podcast if we can do this online that means that ai should be able to do this online it should be able to produce an interesting podcast twice a week about you know business trends opportunities ideas that are related to entrepreneurship for business junkies just like us and it should be able to have a sense of humor but bring to the table three or four really interesting topics per per episode so ai should be able to do that because this is done online so he goes anything that's moving electrons the ai should be able to do and they go well how are you trying to solve that and he goes like so do you want me to just give away all my secrets on a podcast like that would be sort of stupid right like I'm in the the most competitive game in the world right now is to create this he calls it the highest elo battle in the world elo like you know the chess rankings like elo your elo ratings so he's like the highest dude

MFM

elo needs a wedgie man this guy's hilarious macro hard humid emulator this is crazy

MFM

so he's like you know he's like he's like it'll take at least three more beers for me to get you know to reveal that but he's like it'll be something like the way that tesla solves self driving and then they were like okay unrelated question how did tesla solve self driving and he's like well what it you know what it did was it used very basic sensors the the same sort of sensors that humans have in this case you know mostly cameras eyes vision and it watched humans drive a lot like millions and millions and millions and millions of miles and then it tried to emulate what they would do while you're driving it tries to guess what you would do and anytime there's a difference it notes it and it tries to learn from other people in similar situations until it can basically match what a human would do while driving and that's what tesla self driving does and so similarly what they're doing with the human emulators is they're basically getting tons and tons of data of humans using computers and they're using that to teach computers how to use computers and that's where this is going for macrohard and then he talked about on the robot side they're like how did you

MFM

do that is that a is macrohard a company

MFM

I don't know if it's a project or a company I think it's a project within x ai I don't think it's a separate company

MFM

how many people work at x ai is that is x ai considered twitter now

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same company they did merge xai and x merged and now and now that merged with spacex crazy and okay so now let's talk about the robots thing real quick so he goes the optimist robot he he goes it's the infinite money glitch because labor is the biggest market in the world and if you can have robots that can do human labor and specifically once the once the robot can build more robots that's the infinite money glitch so basically once optimus can build more optimus it's over and he's like and they were like well how will you do the emulator thing because tesla made sense right humans bought the cars and drove them around so that gave you all the training data of how to drive and with macro hard theoretically you could have you could have a bunch of you know humans using computers and emulate it but how do you do the robot one there's not enough robots to learn from and so he said he's building this warehouse where 10,000 robots will be able to self play so it's basically this giant warehouse where 10,000 robots are

MFM

a bunch of toddlers

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walking around trying to figure out how to do tasks like pick this up move this here try this work together on this you know build this box without it breaking you know whatever and they're not gonna tell them how to do it they're just gonna self play over and over and over again until they figure it out same way they're gonna

MFM

like come in after three weeks and they're gonna be like trying to like solve the like bars to get out you know what

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I mean

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like they're like escaping prison

MFM

so so like this is how they beat they built the best chess engines and go engines was instead of telling it strategies and rules they just said play 10,000,000 games and figure it out all you know is the rules of where the pieces can move like piece this pawn can move forward the bishop can move diagonally that's all we tell you and we'll tell you that winning is good go and it played like 10,000,000 games and it became the best chess player in the world they did it with go it became the best go player ever now he's doing the same thing with robots but I thought how crazy is that gonna be there's just this self play warehouse where the robots are trying to figure out how to do stuff

MFM

like where is it gonna be where is this gonna be

MFM

I don't know he didn't give me the address but it sounds pretty awesome right

MFM

gotta put like you know they got like puppy cams at live cam doggy like doggy daycares you

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know we we need that we see some tell

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me I wouldn't be watching that thing four hours a day

MFM

this is like whenever we talk about this my fight or flight response goes up hardcore

MFM

can I ask what's the okay so I have this theory that basically a thing happens we give it a meaning the meaning just decides the feeling you told me about the thing happening hearing about all these exciting ai breakthroughs and you told me the feeling which is like kind of fight or flight fear anxiety exhaustion what's the meaning you're putting on all this that's making you feel that way what does it mean that elon's doing this or that these tools are rapidly advancing or there's new tools every day what's the meaning you're putting on that I'm falling behind

MFM

you yeah you you either gotta get on or get off and you have to you have to adapt faster than ever before in order to keep up and all these opportunities are flying by and you know what's the phrase like opportunities are trains thankfully there's always another one but these trains are moving real fast I don't even know if I can grab it if I don't catch on when it's at when it's at this top

MFM

and what happens if you don't catch on

MFM

well I'm lucky I'm in a? In my life where like if I don't catch on like I just nothing like I'm safe but like as an opportunity loving entrepreneur like are like you know you do feel fomo and also there is fear there's a bit fear but it's weird you have to like think about it I'm lucky I'm not fearful entirely of myself but I still feel that like humanity is like changing and it's scary yeah it's just change it's and change is good and bad but it's just like the speed of of things it is incredible I mean I remember in 2021 my friend was telling me about openai and thinking about joining the company and I was like don't know is this legit like who knows that was only five years ago and it's like our parents use it you know like it's my pretty

MFM

mom uses it constantly which is crazy

MFM

it's astounding it's crazy it's wild like and there's a different tool every single day and they're so good

MFM

yeah I I guess I just I think we should leave it with the optimistic version of that which is there's never been more opportunity than this that if you're good you get to lever up and you'd like whatever your whatever your output was gonna be you can sort of tend to 100 x that using these tools you don't need to use all of them you don't need to catch every opportunity catching any piece of this is gonna be huge catching any piece of this at all is gonna put you in the top 1% because if we're feeling this you have to remember the whole world is not if if it's all about change and adaptation who better than us to know who better than the type of person that listens to this podcast than than to take advantage of that like you know 99.99999% of the world doesn't even listen to a podcast like this if you're listening to the podcast like this you're already in the. O o o o 1% of you know adaptability of change of future promise and so you're better positioned than anybody to to take advantage yeah the problem is we compare to the we two decimal places over and we're like but elon's doing this but this guy's doing this right and it's like you don't have to be them to to win in fact you know we sort of stand on the shoulders of giants

MFM

I have a friend who was telling me his father owns a nursing home company or something like that what it's like at home care and he's like my dad's in his seventies he lives in the midwest in missouri the business does 90,000,000 a year in revenue 8,000,000 a year in profit and I told him about ai and he had never heard of it like he didn't even know what that word meant like it wasn't even like and he's like I went to his office and it was like 80 employees and they all looked like the same woman over and over and over again of like you know have you ever seen ferris bueller's day off like the secretary like with like that haircut it's like they like that word ai they they literally didn't know what it was and it's just crazy how how much operate like I'm like how much they spend on payroll he's like they spend $8,000,000 a year on payroll and I like what are they doing and he explained I'm like that's crazy that's just like that one little business that you've never even heard of in the middle of missouri that just unlocked $8,000,000 a year probably in value right that someone can go and do

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right right

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alright listen sean you're getting dumber

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am I

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well we all are so I'm reading this book called stolen focus because I'm I'm basically like incredibly depressed by the fact that like I get 10,000 notifications a day and it's like impacting my mood and so I saw this book called stolen focus have you ever seen it

MFM

well saw it but then I looked away

MFM

great good joke but it kinda got me interested and it's coincidental just last month this one neuroscientist did this thing in front of congress this testimony you read over in front of congress where he basically said that this is the first time in history of measuring this since the eighteen eighties that the current generation gen z is dumber than the the generation above them so have you heard of the flynn effect no so basically since like the eighteen hundreds since like we started like measuring iq at a large level every generation is roughly 10 points higher than the previous generation so every thirty years it goes up by 10 points or every ten years it goes up three points which is kinda cool because that means that the average person today would have been gifted in like 1900 and so it's been going up for a variety of reasons one education die a bunch of different stuff but starting in 2010 they noticed a decline and this isn't just in america it's in norway they noticed this a bunch of different countries I think 80 different countries have actually studied the same thing this isn't just an american thing but starting since 2010 there's been a decline and so now officially according to like I think a sample size of like 800,000 test subjects gen z is the first generation I think since 1800 that has a lower iq from the generation before is that insane

MFM

they blew it we had it going we had a trend going we had a streak going so alright the flu effect is the long term study showing an increase in standardized iq test scores observed through the twentieth century about three points per decade as you said primarily due to environmental factors such as education nutrition smaller family sizes more technology rather than genetic changes it's most significant in test measuring fluid intelligence which is problem solving rather than crystallized intelligence which is acquired knowledge it highlights that intelligence is heavily influenced by environment blah blah blah okay great and then you're saying recently recently it's not holding gen z is the first generation to score lower than their predecessors and they have this just this picture of someone as the headline article which is always great

MFM

gen z is like gayer than ever ever before they like zoom in on you yeah

MFM

they're like dude I'm never just gonna I'm never just gonna pose for a picture without asking what it's for again

MFM

what okay and so gen z is that I think 2010 onwards so people who are like 16 years old think maybe 10 to 16 something like that is that right

MFM

I thought this is like gen alpha 97 to twenty twelve

MFM

sorry I got that way off yeah you're right gen alpha okay so they're like what 25 right now and so what you can guess probably what do you think has caused this

MFM

well yeah it just seems like the sort of brain rot the brain rot consumption right like it's like diet it's like why are we getting fatter and then you go to a grocery store and you see that a grocery store is basically lead gen for a hospital right it's just the sugar factory so

MFM

yeah

MFM

so you know it's not a big surprise

MFM

so the correlation and I think there's causation proof but the correlation is certainly the rise of smartphones and social media it kinda got me thinking like I I think that we talked about inflection points on this podcast about businesses so inflection points means a tech inflection meaning everyone has a smartphone and thus g we all have gpss therefore new businesses can launch like uber because of it or a regulation inflection during covid doctors were able to prescribe medication virtually so that created telehealth I think that we haven't gotten to the inflection. Yet but in the next ten to twenty years we're gonna see an inflection. With a variety of cultural changes a cultural inflection and potentially a regulatory inflection I actually think there might be something there where we're gonna see a lot of different opportunities in businesses and just like cultural change due to the lack of focus so we call this like the focus or attention inflection

MFM

I think that we are at

MFM

the very early stages of that and I had like some ideas that I think could thrive there but I wanted to hear have you noticed this in your life like have you noticed that you are changing your is there like a per like a like a household inflection going on

MFM

we're all getting dumber you mean

MFM

no well you're like combating this

MFM

well yeah so the the first thing to combat this over the weekend my wife was like oh my god did you see what trump tweeted and I was like no and then like an hour later we're I said then that conversation happens an hour later they were like oh you hear about the the the news anchor whose mom got kidnapped and I was like no and then there was like another a third story and and again I was like no don't know anything about that and I think I've been totally fine about it and I kinda realized I had this like I don't know you know when you get happy that you're better than everyone else that's kind of where I was was in that beautiful state of mind yeah was in a I was in a smug

MFM

smug state yeah of company has a smug problem doesn't it

MFM

yeah exactly I went to the admissions shop and sure enough smug check

MFM

you did not pass the smug check

MFM

I did not pass the smug check because I don't listen to the news I don't watch the news and I just I was thinking about this I was like dude imagine if every day you just woke up and then instead of focusing on your life you just said distract me with everybody else's problems and then then the people would tell you about a problem happening 3,000 miles away another one happening 9,000 miles away another one that happened ten years ago and one that might happen ten years from now and then you got your brain gets to think about all that shit instead of what's going on in your life and that's essentially what it is if you're a regular consumer of the news and the news is one of these things that today at least there's like a half warning label on it but the warning label's like fake news it's like you need real news not fake news and actually answer is less news you just need way less news than you're currently consuming you don't need to know the stock price right now you don't need to know the bitcoin price right now you don't need to know what's happening in dc you don't need to know any of that stuff and I I think and some people will argue the exact opposite they'll say oh my god you're so uncivically minded and you really need to care about what's going on with other people in the world

MFM

and you're you're like guys it's not my ability to not watch snooze it's the fact that I lied to get out of jury duty I told

MFM

them that my wife is a drug addict and I had to be over with the kids that is why I'm not civically minded

MFM

yeah this is not the correct argument

MFM

this is

MFM

not the correct evidence I've given you the right evidence for I would say on the whole an over consumption of news is I've seen this as one major leak people have in their life I guess the answer is not zero but definitely not the set. That most people have it's like your thermostat is set to 88 degrees in their house and they're wondering while they're sweating all day and there's just over consumption of content in general one of which is news and then the other is social media I told you my challenge this year was I deleted all the social media off my phone and so well that definitely changes things right because I get back a couple hours a day of time and attention but it's not even really the hours it's kind of the moments it's like oh I like every time I open my phone type in x to open twitter

MFM

that's weird right

MFM

and that all all my phone has is the xfinity app and I'm like I guess I could check my internet speed right now like that's all I could do

MFM

it's like when you were a grown up and you would sit

MFM

down and you'd start reading the back of the cereal box

MFM

or when you're on the toilet you like read the shampoo ingredients

MFM

no seriously that's happening to me all the time now so I'm like okay what the hell am I gonna think about you know like and then I think about important things and think about things that are like really meaningful to me like what I'm gonna do that day my time my precious asset think about my kids and where they're at and I think about I start thinking about other things because I created space and I think that space is the thing that most people are lacking nowadays so yes in my household I have felt this especially this year because I deleted social media and I was totally like anybody else a social media addict right and it became more obvious than ever that like you don't notice the addiction till you feel the withdrawal and that's you know the phase that I went in the first month of this year as I deleted all these apps is the withdrawal of like I keep checking my phone I just keep getting into the xfinity app right

MFM

dude I'm like a fact checker addict like I I what like I I get addicted to social media but then it's like someone will be debating something

MFM

try to see if

MFM

it's right like how old's tom brady

MFM

you know what

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I mean

MFM

I'm like well I'll just tell you right now or you

MFM

know like you know like we were debating you like man trump's you know 76 that's so old right actually you know like you

MFM

useless facts yeah like if I type I right now for instagram I get instacart and I get I aqualink which controls my pool temperature like those are my options for those are my options for distraction for voluntary distraction from you know from the world

MFM

so my prediction is that we are going to look at this problem the same way we look at obesity we're gonna like look at this stuff and we're gonna say there are some people who can just put it down and just walk away you know there are some people like well just just stop just don't do it it's like well but like this processed food is like addicting and it triggers something in my brain and it makes it almost impossible so I think that what we're gonna see is that this is gonna shift from what it is now to like either we ignore it or we think it's just like a small problem to it's an environmental problem and there has to be changes and and I I have a few ideas like on what could be cool but I think that the the I think that this is this

MFM

you referenced another study before that I thought was fascinating explain that one again the train classroom study I thought this was like a really important do you remember this one it was like something about the noise from a train and just that like a train went by in the classroom was lowering their score what was it again

MFM

yeah so basically the the the hypothesis was do does does noise interruption impact people's focus and a study looked at something like two or three or 400,000 children in school in fourth grade and they looked at kids that were under an overpass of a train or nearby a train and kids who weren't and they found that the kids that read silently without the interruption of a train passing by retained information significantly higher I don't remember the points but basically just that decibel level even if it was intermittent it significantly impacted their ability to retain information that they were reading

MFM

right but but did you see the pavel durov tweet he had for on on on new year's did you see this thing okay so pavel is the founder of telegram which is like one of the biggest messaging apps in the world he also started one of the biggest social networks in the world before that it's like the facebook of russia and

MFM

isn't he like the the father of a 100 kids too

MFM

yeah and he's like built like a greek god and he's brilliant and he's super rich and got a great jawline yeah I can't say enough good things about this guy alright so I don't know if you know the story when they asked him for for access to all the data and they wanted a backdoor he said no and then they sent him like an official notice and he sent back an official response which was a dog wearing a hoodie like flicking off the camera and then he left the country and then they took his social network but he was like take it but you're not gonna I'm not gonna give you access he tweeted out this year he goes this year I wish you less less information less food less entertainment less communication less stimulation you already have too much of that and it stands in the way of your certainty health sleep and creativity merry christmas and I just remember that really stood out to me and I I like it and obviously I agree with it but the the part that I think is more interesting is this guy created you know one of the biggest messaging apps and social networks in the world he doesn't use his phone

MFM

what so I don't know anything about that what what do you mean he doesn't use his phone

MFM

he doesn't have a phone he's like if something needs to get to me like somebody will bring me the message if it's really important and he's like I just don't use or look at my phone like I think it's either either at all or most of the day he does not look at a at a a phone and he was like and then you know know steve jobs you know he'll invent the ipad and the iphone but at home his kids don't use it zuckerberg his kids aren't on social media it's like do as they do not as they say that you should do right like you guys should use this but we're gonna do this like I don't think the you know I I don't know if what the executives at at kraft do or the food scientists at kraft do but I don't think they're giving their kids kraft mac and cheese every day right they'll you should have it for sure please buy it but but we're not gonna eat that shit and I think that that's kind of where where I stand with like the social distraction folks it's obviously it's super hard right like but but I seems like the fight worth fighting is kind of what you're you're bringing up here

MFM

well I personally think that yeah I I think it's a fight worth fighting but I also I'm just acknowledging that this is gonna be a trend I think that what we're gonna see is that there's gonna be like these classes where like the upper class the rich people who don't have to be on their phone or computer all the time they're they're gonna know that this is an issue sort of like it's a little bit different now but sort of like in the nineties and early two thousand whole foods was a luxury so health food was a luxury and so I think that's what's gonna happen here which is sad but I think that's just probably naturally how things are kind of tend to play out almost all the time

MFM

we've seen this on the podcast we've had guys who come on here I remember there's one guy who owns an nba team he's a billionaire and we were like are you doing this podcast from a phone and he was like yeah I don't he's like I don't own a laptop and then we we were like can you move the thing and he's like there was somebody he's like I don't know what this is he's like somebody set this up I'm here and then I'm leaving and this is I don't really even understand what's what this is and we yesterday or sorry not yesterday last week I did a call with a guy who's the richest guy of a country not the biggest country in the world but he's the richest guy of that country so you know he's a very wealthy aire probably worth $1,020,000,000,000 dollars he was trying to screen share during our call and he's like he's like we were in zoom and he's like I'd like to show you this but and I know I can but where do I go and I was basically tech support for this guy was like look at the bottom of zoom there's a thing called share it's like a little square with a thing and he's like okay oh it says I need to have a a different browser and we were like are you not using chrome he's like no what is what is chrome I was like wow he's like yeah usually just let people do this stuff for me I've like abstracted myself away from like my computer from tech problems from being from having to like set these things up and be like you know to do to do this stuff myself to be hands on with it and I feel like there's like you're saying like a almost like a wealth or a status thing here where like the wealthier you get the more you're going to be able to abstract yourself away from some of these tools right from from from digital you know digital dopamine

MFM

yeah yeah I for sure think this could happen but I think that it will get to the masses eventually I think that's just like how things work I think that so listen tell me tell me what you think about these two or three ideas I have so I think that have you ever done a v o two max test no do you know what it is

MFM

yeah you put on a like a bain oxygen mask and you run on a treadmill I think

MFM

basically yes no different than like the combine idea you have it's just like a way to measure how good is your heart you use it oftentimes to figure out where's your max heart rate and at like what level can you run comfortably in zone two for an extended. Of time that's

MFM

like okay

MFM

why endurance athletes use it

MFM

so you exercise on a treadmill or bike with increasing intensity and the mask you're wearing analyzes your oxygen consumption and c o two production until you reach exhaustion okay gotcha

MFM

and so I think that we can I think here's a business idea I think that we're gonna see like a v o two max test for attention it sounds hilarious I'm telling you I think this is a good what

MFM

would that

MFM

even be you just sit in a room and they see how long it takes you to like it's like the marshmallow test long it takes have you to pick up the

MFM

you ever felt like this kind of this is I don't know exactly how to explain it but have you ever felt like your nervous system being fried where you're like I'm just like my anxiety was too high like I just I've been I was in fight or flight too much have you felt that feeling

MFM

100% yeah

MFM

do you ever get that

MFM

looking at your phone

MFM

I get it all the time feel like I almost it's what it should be is that you're in the normal state I think is called like parasympathetic or whatever nervous system and then you go into fire flight when there's like this extreme stimulus I think for me it's almost the opposite I think for most people it's probably the opposite in modern day which is you're always running with this sort of baseline anxiety fight or flight type of response and then you remind yourself to take a breath go for a walk put it away and you you sort of come down off of it and you re re re regulate yourself and maybe I just live in san francisco and I'm around too many like kinda tech you know addicts but but I think it's almost what what whatever the ratio is it should be like ninety ten or whatever I think it's almost the opposite or it's 50 of course it's terrible ratio

MFM

and I believe that one of the best ways to lose weight is to weigh yourself every single day what gets measured gets changed and I think that we could see you you can measure like your nervous system there are ways to measure it you know your resting heart rate and for example just like pulling up your phone your heart rate could go up I mean there there are there are ways to do it I don't know exactly all the ways but I think that like there's this huge group of people doing like a pre novo like these like measuring things right and I think that we are gonna see this for nervous system or attention like it'll be advertised towards let's see where you rank or where you are like in terms of attention and we're gonna tell you how fried you are and then we're gonna give you a plan on how to get unfried and you can come and measure it you can come in and and remeasure your body fat in six months

MFM

yeah I think that's very true when I've been coaching this basketball team one of the things I find myself saying a lot to the guys is concentration is a skill because you know the players when they come into the gym they think you know they'll oh through the legs behind the back you know whatever and they think that's the skill they need to do well in the game and I'll tell them like how often do you do this move pretty much never that's not even your role on the team is to do moves like this to score for the most part what we want you doing is playing really really really hard and concentrating on the task at hand like being where you're supposed to be during the play focusing on where the ball is versus your man versus whatever and we have some really talented guys who don't get in the game because we don't trust their intensity or their concentration and I've been trying to tell them like those two things are a skill they don't sound like skills they sound like effort but effort's a skill like these all of these things are skilled there's a guy on our team sam who's not the most talented but his ability to just to just to ratchet up his intensity and then sustain that throughout the game like he's puked during three games this year he just throws he work he plays so hard he throws up in the middle of the game and we're that's the only time he comes out of the game is to throw up basically and he goes right back in and I'm like do you need a towel or some water like you know like what's going on he just goes straight back in it's incredible and I've realized that intensity concentration the ability to be maximally present these are not just kinda nice nice to have like soft things they're hard skills and you actually need to practice them and get better at them and like what you're saying is if it's a skill then it can be measured and if it can be measured it can be approved right and and so on and so forth

MFM

alright I'll give you two two quick more I think we're gonna see remember you know what's it called q q mon

MFM

q mon yeah

MFM

q mon it's like got the worst logo ever it's like a sad kid's face

MFM

they hired the artist they were like just observe and then draw what you see

MFM

yeah I think we're gonna

MFM

see a kumon for focus for kids I think kids are gonna impact be impacted by this time where like they're gonna be they're gonna learn like exercises and stuff for focusing I think we're gonna have like a maria kondo but remember maria kondo I think we're gonna have a maria kondo you know maria kondo was this I think she was korean lady who was famous for organizing

MFM

I guarantee you're saying her name wrong by the way maria kondo

MFM

marie kondo

MFM

that's like a latina who's a real estate agent maria kondo her name is marie oh

MFM

come on dude I I was a korean lady and all I got wrong was the maria versus marie hey maria like come on give me a break

MFM

alright it wasn't as far as off as I thought yeah so like an influencer who's all about the tidiness of the mind

MFM

yeah and they're gonna like use their program to create coaches who are gonna like come and talk to you and like do

MFM

it your makes sense like I think that probably the number one affliction for kids is like add adhd right and then you have to medicate and all this stuff and it explains why you're bad at school and it's like I don't know I've seen that same kid focus at fortnite and roblox for four hours straight so what's up with that like perhaps they're just not that interested or the school is not that interesting to them because when they're interested they seem to lock in right or take it off the thing

MFM

and also they've not used that skill and they need to learn that skill because they're like been fucking on tiktok and it's like swipe swipe swipe swipe

MFM

yeah so I think you're I think you're absolutely right about that part of it I also think this is gonna happen for adults so you know the idea of a gym today seems totally normal but if you rewind I don't know two hundred years or something like that you're like yeah see what's gonna happen is we're gonna send spend all day sitting because we're gonna have this like box that we work on you could use your fingers only to just type on the box and then because our body's not gonna get any we're not doing any actual work like the thing you think of as work today like agriculture you know any sort of like lifting of objects we're gonna go to this other box this other place and they're gonna just have weights on the ground and you'd be like what do mean weights it's like it's just like a heavy thing and you're gonna pick you put down yeah yeah you could do it 10 times for three sets and then they're just gonna go home and you're be like what why would they do that's crazy right and it's like well that's what happened basically the more we got away from doing manual labor we then created this demand this need for stimulating our bodies with weights well I think the same thing is gonna happen for intellectual stuff right like already people are like well I could even think about this or I could just ask chad gpt to think about this and you just outsource the idea of critical thinking so I think there's gonna be a place where you go that's essentially the gym for your mind it's a good place you go with a bunch of puzzles a bunch of thought experiments and riddles and shit like that and it's gonna be a gym for the mind and it's gonna be where you go to keep your mind active because most of your thinking is now done by the ai chip in your brain right this seems like if you fast forward fifty years either we're just gone or we have to come up with some way where we're gonna exercise our mind because so much thinking is gonna be done by you know digital digital intelligence

MFM

and the last thing is justin mares came on our podcast and he told us about this business that he has or he helped fund I forget his association but it was basically justin mairs for the listener he's like our our buddy who's like a health freak and he has an amazing company called lightwork I gotta give him a shout out yeah home health lightworkhome.com

MFM

okay what is this

MFM

my wife did it they come to your house and they kind of inspect it to figure out where things are not healthy and where they are and so they looked at like some of the basic stuff like do you need different air filters on your ac which like everyone does but then they did other stuff like example they educated us like I have a I had a I have a wifi router like right in my bed stand like next to my head and they're like check this out like the emf is like coming to your head right here or like

MFM

I was like I I didn't know that

MFM

as he wears a hat right now that says midwest trash on his head

MFM

or they'll be like look

MFM

at your pillows what they're made out of like you're sleeping on plastic or for us it was like we needed more plants in our house because like the c o two levels was shit like it was like a bunch of stuff like that it's pretty interesting

MFM

did you end up like here's my fear with this right I do this and then anytime somebody audits my thing and tells me where something's bad I'm immediately I the sale is done it's like well alright is this a $100 fix thousand dollar fix $10,000 fix or a $100,000 fix what what's the damage here so did you end up doing a bunch of changes

MFM

my thing was mostly like reorganizing or small fixes I'm also renting so like there's not like I'm not gonna like change the paint but I I I think I think that we're gonna see what he's doing but for like digital products

MFM

feels to me like today that's something we should do but nobody wants to do and at some? You're right the inflection it'll tip it'll go that way

MFM

it hasn't happened yet but it

MFM

it's not there yet

MFM

alright is that it

MFM

that's it

MFM

that's the pod