The 2024 Milly Awards

Shaan Puri

Ladies and gentlemen here we are 4 years in a row the end of year millie awards where we get together and we recap the year we make up a bunch of categories we make up a bunch of answers and we reflect on how the year has gone with with our awards ceremony so sam are you ready

Sam Parr

I'm ready I like your jacket are you gonna start wearing this stuff more often it feels like a little suit of armor

Shaan Puri

yeah I I already got a compliment this morning inside the house so I think maybe I should start dressing well maybe that's gonna be my change of the year we'll see

Sam Parr

see it's december 26 you got a compliment this year probably the only compliment you got all year

Shaan Puri

yeah the only looks compliment for sure

Sam Parr

men don't get compliments so you should wear jackets more alright where do we wanna start

Shaan Puri

alright we're gonna start category we have 11 11 awards to give out we're gonna start with number 1 best investment of the year and these are personal by the way these are our personal best investments worst investments that sort of thing so sam what was your best investment of the year what do you

Sam Parr

think I'm gonna say

Shaan Puri

the s and p 500

Sam Parr

the s and p 500 up 28% but that one's boring I don't wanna just say that the best investment I we had this year I'm do you remember jason cohen we had on the pod jason cohen started what's it called wp engine wp engine

Shaan Puri

love that guy

Sam Parr

no I just couldn't remember the the company anyway he made a comment I think after the pod where he talked about tipping and I was like I like to tip you know I was like I I just hand out fives and he goes fives you should be handing out twenties like he goes I tip like crazy and I started doing that after the pod and so I carry around about $1,000 of twenties at any given. And I am just dishing that shit out like crazy and if you wanna know something it's made me so happy and so that's been a great investment my but and I wanted to bring that up because my investment strategies are pretty boring but man I'll tell you what I'll go to a restaurant and it'll be like $60 because we don't drink and like it's like cheap or cheap dates I'll I'll easily leave a $100

Shaan Puri

and then you stick around to wait for the the reaction to it you're like did you did you see that just wanna make sure you get things right under there

Sam Parr

listen I thought it was tacky to do that but I say screw them I'm doing something nice I wanna I want like a compliment like it makes me feel good too I'm doing this for selfish reasons it makes me feel good so I don't mind it as long as I'm not filming it it's okay that's what I think

Shaan Puri

do you guys share these or is that all yours right there

Sam Parr

no alright so you but seriously tipping has made me happier but investment but it's it's hard for me to say best investment because I am so boring although I do have one angel investment and figure that's gonna pay a lot of money so far on paper

Shaan Puri

okay so sam's favorite ice cream is vanilla alright here we go what do you want me to say

Sam Parr

am I supposed to make something up

Shaan Puri

alright I will make up for your boring answer with I have 2 answers I'll give you the first one okay so sam best investment when I think of the perfect investment right what's my type my type would be you know some people like blondes some people like brunettes here's my type my type is a passive investment that is tax advantaged that beats market returns that is uncorrelated to my the rest of my portfolio tech crypto has low downside and I'm betting on a beast of an operator who has an unfair advantage

Sam Parr

it sounds like you're trying to sell me a timeshare

Shaan Puri

close it's real estate you got it and so I for the first time made some serious investment I invested a few $1,000,000 into real estate this year and it was great I for a long time I had thought I should probably be doing real estate I should probably take this magic internet money put it in real estate so that I have kind of both I have real world tangible assets that pay cash flow and then I have this like kind of crazy upside tech stuff and I never could figure out the way to do it I was like do I buy my own and manage it that seems like a pain do I use one of these kind of like funds or whatever but they're all just fee monsters and the answer was sitting in my in my own wheelhouse my brother-in-law is an amazing real estate operator the guy's built like a $1,000,000,000 real estate portfolio for himself and so I just started giving him money and it's been amazing I don't lift a finger and I'm getting like you know 30 40% returns with all the tax advantages so that was my best investment and I'll be doubling down there but I have a bonus answer for you the bonus answer is I made a couple of stock trades I know you don't approve not supposed to buy individual stocks but I did but I did it in a very specific way that I think you might dig which was I just have been trading against the all in podcast for like 2 years now

Sam Parr

are you kidding me

Shaan Puri

and it has been phenomenal

Sam Parr

give me an example and also like is this like casino gambling money or is this like like in my opinion anything above $100,000 is like

Shaan Puri

in general real bets then okay

Sam Parr

so you're gonna be real

Shaan Puri

basic bets but I just view them as as safe like they're not like they're not like obscure panic attacks

Sam Parr

or something

Shaan Puri

so what will happen is all in podcast love listening to it very entertaining guys very smart guys I just don't think they're right a lot and they're not right in one specific they have one specific leak which is that they have like an agenda which is often you know either talking their own their own book or it's anti woke anti left anti big tech

Sam Parr

they make

Shaan Puri

the money no they're not they like the making money part

Sam Parr

no anti getting good gains

Shaan Puri

so like you know jason calacanis goes out and he says the most likely case is bitcoin 0 and he tweets this out and then on the all in podcast they're talking about crypto and all the problems with it well guess what I decided to buy bitcoin that day and then and then Google releases its new ai model and it has this problem where you say show me a picture of george washington and it shows you a black guy

Sam Parr

yeah

Shaan Puri

and they're like google's so woke it's going down the drain

Sam Parr

well your your year to date on Google is 41%

Shaan Puri

yeah exactly so easiest easiest money to make was just to trade against the olive podcast so here's an example chamath tweets out the growing short case against facebook and he says regulation is a problem tax is a problem antitrust is a problem all this stuff I bet on facebook I'm up 5 x so I made 500% on that trade and so basically they went anti bitcoin for a. Of time and then they they swung back they went anti meta and they made this case why zuck was being an idiot he was investing way too much capex into ar and vr more money than had ever been invested in the development of the iphone this all sounds very very smart but my little simpleton brain went back to like no I think I think zuck's the man I I know I spend a shit like I have an e commerce business every dollar I can spend on the facebook ad engine I spend

Sam Parr

yeah you're like they eat them to take more money

Shaan Puri

yeah oh ios 14 is was a problem no no I I still spend more than I spent before that and and there's no better place to spend a dollar in advertising than on facebook the close second was Google right and so when they went anti Google for being woke I bought Google when they went anti facebook I went I bought facebook anti bitcoin I bought bitcoin and it's just been very very profitable for me to do this

Sam Parr

that's amazing that's really funny I think they

Shaan Puri

like the in inverse kramer or inverse galloway indexes where they just they just literally whatever this popular popular figurehead says they just bet the opposite I've basically been doing that for about two and a half years against the all in podcast only now was I willing to say it

Sam Parr

dude by the way I you we had this guy on the pod who'd become a great friend of mine named val him and I he was the main guy I was a very small investor we bought a building in brooklyn I killed it on that I think I had a 28% annual like return not including the tax stuff but my worst investment this year do you remember how I said I was remember how I bought a ranch

Shaan Puri

right

Sam Parr

I sold it this year so stupid maybe I I lost money because I could have used that money to invest in something that made a lot more but I basically like kinda broke even so it wasn't that huge of a loss but it was so stressful and my learning is that I had this issue where I sold a company I made money and I thought I was on top of the world and I thought I could buy I so I I fully bought 3 different pieces of real estate intending to like turn into projects not one of them was great 2 were bad 1 was breakeven and I that's been my biggest failure is like thinking like hubris and thinking that I'm amazing and and and also buying real estate that you have to operate it's just like starting a a small business that you have to work 10 hours a week on it sucks it's hard

Shaan Puri

yeah it my rule is if it's active it has to generate more than 50% the bar is way different if it's passive it could be 7% it's fine but if it's active it's gotta be more than 50% if it's active investment and so that's why I gave you the traits I said passive tax advantage beats the market right like I had this list if I could ever find an investment that does that and finally found 1

Sam Parr

I thought it would be cool to like you know that's like every you know like that's like one of the 5 things that men love is like they always say they wanna own a lot of land and I did it and I hated it like dude listen to this like I would drive up to I I had a tesla at the time I would be in the country and I would have these like workers come to like decide to put in a bid to pave the driveway I would get a $70,000 quote and a $3,000 quote like that's that was the delta and it was all because of the way I looked and they're like this guy doesn't know shit you know like it was crazy I got taken advantage of so many times it sucked so I I I don't think I'll be doing that anytime soon

Shaan Puri

and for that reason I'm out alright what about worst investment

Sam Parr

that was my worst investment was was okay any fully owned real estate any real estate that I was a investor in I loved it anything that I fully owned and wanted to like make it my thing because of pride I I failed miserably

Shaan Puri

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Sam Parr

what is the word pleb are you thinking that means pleb

Shaan Puri

I say pleb you're saying pleb really

Sam Parr

which one of us is wrong I don't know which one though I don't have enough conviction but but you might have taken another l there

Shaan Puri

exactly such a pleb I don't even know how to say it

Sam Parr

yeah it's it sucks to be doing things that you know you would advise people not to do

Shaan Puri

in the moment in the moment by the way this is why information is not power knowledge is not power

Sam Parr

so when covid happened I think it was february in san francisco and you know we were all in our apartment sick and the world was literally going to end and I remember I it's the only time I've ever done this the market dropped I think 30% literally the day it was its lowest I sold 100% of everything I owned

Shaan Puri

yeah exactly

Sam Parr

I thought bodies are gonna pile up in new york I thought the world's ending and I had friends who did the opposite of me and our returns were drastically different right and that was the lesson that like that moment had to teach me do not do this you know when warren buffett he says all these smart phrases and they sound cool and you're like yeah I'm in I'm in when the tide goes low I could see everyone swimming naked I'm in that's all you gotta do I'll be a billionaire but then when it actually happens it's hard it's scary it's emotional and I fell victim that and it sounds like you did too at least once

Shaan Puri

a 100% also during that time I was picking I remember between 2 stocks I was like okay I think the future is some version of ai but also potentially vr and ar and I plowed a bunch of money into unity instead of nvidia I was looking at the 2 and I was like is it unity or nvidia I should have just bet on both but instead I picked unity and unity has has done nothing and nvidia became the most valuable company in the world so you know sometimes you do that too that's also a a way to lose

Sam Parr

what did what did unity become

Shaan Puri

I've lost like 60% of my investment on unity unity has gone nowhere

Sam Parr

is there like a threshold of like for your what's your lowest trade dollar amount is it like $1,000 or always above a 100,000

Shaan Puri

more like a 100,000

Sam Parr

got it so I

Shaan Puri

don't have like an actual minimum but I wouldn't I mean going to put in a $1,000 is is not really like that exciting or it's kind of a waste of time right

Sam Parr

it depends how you look at it like for example I think stock picking is stupid but I think that you're like well I spend like $5 over the couple months just going to the casino like this could be an exciting thing like I remember for the when the amc shit was going crazy I thought it'd be fun if I was like I was like alright I'll do the thing and I'll put like only a grand in just as like just to play the game and then maybe I'll talk about it on here and it it was dumb it was stupid it wasn't

Shaan Puri

even fun I've done that with like dogecoin and stuff like that but but yeah that that's that's the true gambling budget alright let's do the next one biggest l you took personally this year

Sam Parr

dude so my daughter was born 15 months ago and I gave myself 4 months to like just be kinda lazy and not be on top of like my time management and that like you know how like on thanksgiving you're like yes the night before like the cookies are being made I could just it's kind of the same day as thanksgiving it's okay if I splurge but then like friday happens and you're like well they're leftovers I gotta eat them and then by sunday you're still kind of picking out a little bit I basically did that for like 6 months where I was like pretty horrible with my time and I wasted so much time this year and it really bothered me and so this year I've made some changes that I'll I'll talk about when we get to that category of like changes we're making next year but I wasted so much time when my daughter was born and it wasn't and this isn't like people listening to me like well you should have downtime to hang out with her it's like yeah I I did that I was totally present but 6 months down the line when she's at their nanny and I'm still kinda like moving slow and like you know what I mean it was kinda

Shaan Puri

so what what do you mean by wasting time what are what are you talking about here

Sam Parr

I'll give you an example so I would shift my schedule like my workout schedule so I could be with her in the morning but and and that actually meant that she actually wouldn't get out of bed until 7 the nanny would come at 9 and so between 7 and 9 I would hang out at home and then work out from you know 9 to 10:30 which is like a pretty lazy morning for me versus working out what I used to do at 7:30 and so the nanny now comes at 8 and I like dude I should've just switched to like I can now start my day a little bit earlier but I didn't so I was still going to the gym later and just lounging around the house for hours things like that but like there was 5 things whereas like accumulated was like dude 4 hours 5 hours a day was just wasted

Shaan Puri

it sounds like you've been hard on yourself but okay I'll I'll I'll accept your l each man's l is his own to to carry it's a it's a burden he carries

Sam Parr

you didn't have that where you wasted time when you had your kid like it's okay I think to like be lazy for a while

Shaan Puri

you just described as your unproductive day was sort of my productive day so I don't know I don't know what you're talking about I'm like oh wait so you you took care of your kid and worked out in the morning that sounds great sounds like a great morning I don't know what you're talking about

Sam Parr

it was just like I just I I didn't get after it at all and I found myself to be like and also when you have a kid I experienced this where I'm like oh nothing else matters but you should still kinda pretend it does so you could like kinda be productive and I kind of like acted like nothing else mattered

Shaan Puri

alright I the biggest l I took there were so many to choose from to be honest from forgetting our anniversary and then trying to recover and guessing the date wrong that was not great and by the way she didn't even care which was like oh damn I've lowered expectations to that to that level okay gotcha so that was a quick l I took the whole I don't know if you guys do you need

Sam Parr

to get this shit on can you solve this for me for or should anniversaries be the first time you dated or when you got married

Shaan Puri

once you get married it switches to the marriage anniversary is my official stance

Sam Parr

I have been trying to say that it should be dating the whole time because you know what I mean like sometimes I'll date for 5 years

Shaan Puri

you could do nothing for the marriage

Sam Parr

fuck that it should be when you start when you I know it should be your first date that's what an anniversary should be in my opinion

Shaan Puri

the first time we kiss with tongue that's it right alright so so then another l I took was I was a I was collateral damage to this whole I don't know if you know about the elf in the shelf fucking insanity like I lost my wife dude it

Sam Parr

is so crazy

Shaan Puri

this month and you know I went to like a widow thing and they were like what and I was like no no I just lost her to elf on the shelf like this has been crazy she's up every night for 4 hours preparing this elaborate you know elf you know setup and then she sleep she has to sleep during the day and I don't know what's happening I don't know what who tricked women in america into doing this but it is it's like doing 75 hard except for you wake up at 2 in the morning to do it and you do it for 30 days instead

Sam Parr

is it so it's like a doll that stares on the shelves and like is omnipresent and watches your children so you could scare them into not doing bad stuff

Shaan Puri

so okay so I think the original theory was like you get a elf comes to your house and it sits on a shelf and in the morning it moves and you're like oh my god it moved how what's up with that but women on the internet have taken this to a whole new level it doesn't just move it creates schemes and plots and tricks and treats like you know my kids wake up they come downstairs the entire living room has been turned into the floor as lava there's fire on the ground everywhere the tree is covered it looks like a volcano now the elves are hanging from the chandelier doing crazy stuff or they take all of the underwear that was in all of the drawers of all of the house and they put it all over the roof of the house you gotta go outside and be like oh my god what did they do so every night they create a whole I are we to get our toilet replaced because they turned our toilet into a cereal bowl and then somebody flushed and now we use fruit loops just clog the toilet we gotta get the toilet

Sam Parr

you just break your shit

Shaan Puri

yeah you just do crazy stuff every every night you come up with like a giant episode of punk'd by ashton kutcher a huge prank occurs and that you have to come up with every night and you buy 1,000 of dollars of materials because the elves have their own sized stuff that you're like getting

Sam Parr

somebody had a knowing rodent in their home causing havoc they wouldn't put it on the shelf and say hi to it they would kill it

Shaan Puri

what exactly and so if you don't know about this you're just like what what are you talking about this is a weird strange behavior but if you're in it there's guys out there right now that are sort of like ptsd shakes are coming over their body because they've also been experiencing this and I don't know if I'm in the minority I don't know if I'm in the the slight minority or the majority I don't know I don't know how many people do this I just know that my wife and her friends they do this and she's in these facebook groups with 100 of thousands of women and every morning they post the elaborate things that they set up and then that spurs all of them to go even crazier with it so I'm gonna say that elf on the shelf was one of mine

Sam Parr

do you wanna do coolest moment

Shaan Puri

alright you give me yours

Sam Parr

so this year I had to go to la for a hampton thing where I had to interview rob dyrdek in front of a a bunch of people very randomly someone was like hey I'm going back home to la I'm in austin right now I'm going tonight someone mentioned that in the morning you're going to la I'm with my wealthy famous friend who I'm not gonna say they actually have a jet and they're going to la tonight and I got this text and I had committed to putting my baby to sleep this was like in the first handful of months and I was like I'm gonna be here every night and I was like dude I don't wanna sound like a douche and I want you know that was this is the I'm so grateful you offered me but I can't go because you wanna leave at 6 and I said I'm gonna be here till 8:30 and he was like oh we'll we'll go at 8:30 and I was like awesome I was like shit again I don't wanna be a dick but my friend neville is coming with me tomorrow morning which he was and I was like I I could never bail on him and he was like great we have room for him and and and it totally accommodated me and so my best friend neville and I flew to la on this very wealthy famous person's private jet and I got to spend like 3 hours like learning from this guy it was so fun and so awesome and that was like one of my not just because we are flying private it was just awesome that like I got to do this adventure with my friend that was that was the best moment I had all year

Shaan Puri

but if you flew southwest would it have been the coolest moment of the year

Sam Parr

on the way back I because we had to change our flights we flew southwest next to the toilet it was a very ying and yang situation and it was still fantastic

Shaan Puri

okay that one didn't win the award though

Sam Parr

that one didn't win the award but it was fun it's like you know you know you know that meme where there's like a guy in the hoodies says like nobody here knows but I invested in bitcoin in 2012 that's like how I felt like in line at southwest like you know like they should ask me

Shaan Puri

on the way here how'd you get here hey

Sam Parr

wanna know how I got here on the way here that's how it felt I was like somebody asked me

Shaan Puri

oh this is so different for me alright love that one okay I'll do a quick one I I kinda struggled with this one I guess I'll give you a quick one so for thanksgiving this year we were gonna host it I decided to do a a a full family vacation so kind of like you know how do I okay we if we've done well we've had some success how do I make sure that that like you know makes everybody have a great time and and that that I care about in my little economy and so I rented out this this really cool house in tahoe I brought my whole family up to tahoe hired a personal chef who would cook us the thanksgiving meal live and I just remember there was one morning where I woke up and it was just the best morning like I took my dog out in the snow my dog was like mind blown at what snow is so I took my dog for a walk early in the morning it was crisp I didn't have my phone I didn't even know where my phone was came inside my kids were all playing with their cousins and that was so cool to see somebody was you know making breakfast in the other room and they could smell it me and my brother-in-law we were playing we played a game of like horse on the little nerf hoop that was in the house and I just had the best morning and I just remember being like this this was bliss it just ticked and yeah it ticked all of my boxes right like whole family living under one roof kids are having a blast I'm playing a silly game on a nerf hoop there's not a worry of the world we're not you know we're not busy we're not rushing it was just a wonderful feeling so I'm gonna give my my tahoe warning my coolest moment of the year

Sam Parr

the takeaway by the way should I've done that for 2 years now I I did the first time I think last year it I when I was doing best moments I was like it was either what I just said or this thing taking family and just paying for it and it sounds like a ridiculous and it's very expensive and it's very challenging for a lot of people but if you can pull it off it is almost always one of the best moments it feels if and the second takeaway is the coolest moments that I think we've had for a lot of these things it's always doing things that benefit other people somehow do you know what I mean like accommodating other people into our lives is the it's the best feeling it's usually not like some huge like traditional career accomplishment it's always like it's always doing something cool for other people so I agree that's a good one that you have

Shaan Puri

although yours was somebody flying you private but the

Sam Parr

best I if no the best part was doing it with my friend the fact that we got that we had this like shared experience together that was that was great alright I've got a quick one for life hack do you wanna know my yeah do you wanna know my my biggest life life life hack go for it that I started doing it and this is so basic to people but on thursday I do this on thursday not on friday I print out I'll show I print out everything that I have to do for the next week and up top is my q one focus and goals and that's like you know tell my wife how much I appreciate her every day but also like traditional business goals and also fitness goals and then I have what I did last week and any reflections on it and then I have a category that says how my assistant can help me and my assistant every morning prints this off at my house and so it's ready for me on monday morning and I carry this piece of paper with me around everywhere like during the workday and that's what I use to make sure I'm getting shit done I don't use notion I don't use asana I don't use any of that crap and just having this printed out has been so much more helpful for me than any type of digital complicated shit

Shaan Puri

totally I have one over here on the ground it's like I I bought these if you go buy like sketch pads like you know artists or architects have it's really high quality paper large pads with nice pens such a easy win to go to go analog instead of digital with that stuff by the way I think you should level it up and you need like a seal of sort or some sort of coat of arms for your family I feel like you would like that and like either stamp wax seal I feel like if you just made it more prestigious honestly it would be kind of amusing and it would be fun and I

Sam Parr

do like a presidential briefing I completely agree

Shaan Puri

exactly I just give it a little stamp and be like hell yeah that's me that's how I roll and like this is us I completely agree so I I want you to do that to but

Sam Parr

that's a great idea I actually completely agree what's yours

Shaan Puri

okay life hack for me the highs and lows channel have I told you about this my highs and lows channel is that for work yeah kind of I mean it's for everything but I have a slack channel for every company I have a slack channel called highs and lows and in it anytime there's a high high in the moment of that business or a low low so you know for example on christmas eve the mexican government decided to ban all imports into mexico of textiles which effectively shut down my entire warehouse on christmas eve and we can no longer like operate because our warehouse is in mexico yeah like 2 days ago and so you're like ah here we are business cannot our ecommerce business has no inventory for the foreseeable future and I've got 1,000,000 of dollars of inventory sitting in a warehouse there that now is you know blockaded thank you mexican government and thank you new president of mexico for this christmas present and so in the moment where I'm feeling a low something bad happened a lawsuit or a big client gets lost or someone key quits or whatever it is right I go into that channel and I just type what happened but the beautiful thing is instead of addressing the current problem or basking in the glory of the current high what when I go to the channel I just see the last one that I had because it's right there scrolled up and I just see oh man I had a huge low then that feels like nothing now right or I had a huge high before that also feels like nothing now and it is this stoic trick of the brain to basically just write down I'm having a high or I'm having a low right now but in the place where I'm writing it I see my last high or low and my the one before that and the one before that and it just like thermoregulates my brain my brain says oh okay it's not as bad as it seems nor as good as it seems it humbles me or it keeps my morale high whatever I need in that moment and it's so effective just to have this little simple channel

Sam Parr

have you ever heard of negative visualization

Shaan Puri

yeah like sort of imagining what the worst that could happen is the worst case scenarios

Sam Parr

it's a a tool that I I think it was popularized by the so the the famous stoics but basically you sit down for about 5 minutes and you instead of meditating you just imagine the worst things on earth are true your kid is dying of cancer your wife has already died you're broke like you're you know hurt whatever and then if you actually visualize that for like 5 or you know so minutes it kinda almost feels weird it's really strange and then you wake up and you open your eyes you go oh sick none of that's true how grateful I feel right now and it's like a pretty useful tool and what you're describing is very similar to that

Shaan Puri

yeah except for this is these were real moments that I remember and like I have evidence of versus trying to do this exercise I mean this is I'm saving people 1,000 of dollars in therapy if you just create a little highs and lows channel you'll therapy yourself because you'll go in and it'll you'll remember I've been high before I've been low before and either way I walk out I it's it's that that richard kipling poem I treat triumph and disaster I treat those 2 impostors the same and this has been the fastest most effective way to do it

Sam Parr

dude that reminds you know one of my I think conor mcgregor has taken a fall from grace I really don't like him anymore but he has a lot of like amazing things that he says that I buy into and he's got this one thing do you remember have you ever seen what he says about having the same attitude in victory or defeat

Shaan Puri

yeah yeah exactly

Sam Parr

what what does what does he say would you know the exact line

Shaan Puri

he's he basically says I forgot what it was it was like you know humble in victory and something you know something in defeat which is by the way not what he does at all anymore but no yeah that was his original original thesis

Sam Parr

I'm gonna look it up yeah like I think last time he lost he in the octagon he was telling the opponent

Shaan Puri

that humble in victory humble in defeat and and actually last time he lost

Sam Parr

he's telling the man's wife that he's like you know she was cheating on him

Shaan Puri

your your wife is in my dms your wife is in my dms so he says dude connor mcgregor this is a cool quote though

Sam Parr

he should learn for some connor mcgregor quotes

Shaan Puri

I really wanna create a compilation to just show it to him and be like dude you'll you'll love this guy and just see if it see if it makes you so this is mcgregor back when we both loved him I am cocky in prediction I am confident in preparation but I am always humble in victory or defeat

Sam Parr

it's the best right

Shaan Puri

there you go right so we did life hack let's do now number 8 only 4 left number 8 billy of the year who is our billy of the year we do this segment called billy of the week where we profile just a big baller shot caller somebody who is either a billionaire or just making big moves who do you think was making the biggest of the big moves this year so my pick this is not gonna sound sexy but I'll make a case do you know I don't know if this ever happened to you but in high school sophomore year and everybody has their place in the social hierarchy you know who the nerds are you know who the jocks are you know who the theater kids are you know who's the glue guys that could fit in with everybody and then you all leave for the summer but then there's always that one kid who leaves for the summer and they get that little second puberty bump they get that extra you know 4 inches of height they start growing a little facial hair they they start working out all summer because their cousin came into town and taught them how to work out you know they picked up a hobby they learned the guitar or they start you know doing mma or something like that and then and they start dressing differently and you hear rumors that they hooked up with like a college girl during the summer and they had like a fling and then they come back and they're just a whole new guy

Sam Parr

and there's like a conversation it's like is is greg cool now

Shaan Puri

yeah and undeniably greg is cool mark zuckerberg pulled a greg this year so here's the case for zuck his stock is up 5 500% in the last 24 months he's gained a $100,000,000,000 of net worth he is now the 3rd richest man in the world but more than that he's not just one of the rich guys right because that that criteria would apply to elon it would apply to jeff bezos bill gates there's other guys who are super rich he found a hobby that he loves and it got him into tremendous shape zuck started doing mma jujitsu striking and now zuck is fit he's ripped he's got a hobby that he loves that takes his mind off of work he is playing the world's most competitive game which is the ai game and I don't know how much you followed this but zuck had a a a judo flip basically he had a differentiated way to win you know openai was in front and Google had deepmind and zuck came out and open sourced all of their their models and created an open source competitor to basically compete in this market and he's doing extremely well there he went from a robot to a cool guy he like dresses like a cool guy now and has like a cool guy haircut so he he did like a personal style upgrade he you know he he's not like you know elon's on his you know 3rd or 4th failed marriage you know 11 kids from 3 different women's day

Sam Parr

woman since college

Shaan Puri

zuck's got his college sweetheart got his daughters you know appears to be a really great dad by all accounts and I just respect that I just respect that he's had this all around game

Sam Parr

agreed

Shaan Puri

right he's just had this really strong floor game where he just covered all the bases of what I consider to be a really good life he's doing what he loves on and off the court and you know this is lame to say mark zuckerberg but I gotta say mark zuckerberg

Sam Parr

he have you like you you don't know about running but he ran a 5 k time he ran a 5 k recently and he ran it in 19 minutes that's really fit he's like really fit did you see that post where he talked about his murph his murph time

Shaan Puri

yeah the murph he did an insane murph dude

Sam Parr

it was really fast

Shaan Puri

like he's he's not he's not like one of these like you know like vincent mann is like 80 years old he's like weirdly like old jacked or like you know joe rogan has this too where they have this like really weird body because they're taking like trt like crazy it's like oh these are some of these people have these weird ozempic bodies or trt bodies

Sam Parr

no he's he's

Shaan Puri

he just like worked out a lot and ate good

Sam Parr

yeah he like eats an apple and chicken like he he looks great you know what I mean he looks great yeah that's a great one and he's I really like his wife she's turned into like this kind of I don't know like thought leader michelle obama y like you know like she's kinda hip and cool and I care about her opinion a lot like she's kind of like a a little bit of a taste maker

Shaan Puri

even know this because I what I love about her is that she's not out there trying to get limelight she's not doing anything that's public right she does a lot of stuff private with their foundation but

Sam Parr

I've seen her talk at at at conferences and then I also zuck's been going to ufc and they'll show her in the background at and then one of the fighters is like she or she'll be like hey that choke was cool and he'll be like do you wanna learn it and she'll be like yeah and so she like comes to like puts the guy in a choke like she just kinda like in it and she just doesn't seem you know how like people love princess di because she was like you know woman of the people it's she kinda has that vibe a little bit and I I I appreciate that

Shaan Puri

I have not seen that but I have seen like the there was like an interview recently where somebody was like following him around for the day and she was there and she was just so down to earth and cool and was like making fun of him but in a like you know like you know when couples are together and it's like you could tell that they have fun together but you could also tell they don't they don't hate each other it's like you can make fun of somebody without being like really bitter on the inside

Sam Parr

yeah yeah

Shaan Puri

I just thought like the vibe I got it was just a little clip but the vibe I got was was great

Sam Parr

so mine was do you remember meetup.com's founder Scott is it heiferman

Shaan Puri

the heifer

Sam Parr

heifer is that let's call him the heifer so so the the the short of it is the story is basically this guy named Scott he started a digital ad company that he sold for like $15,000,000 enough to get like very wealthy as a 28 year old he leaves tech and he goes and he joins mcdonald's and he works at mcdonald's as a you know a cashier or something like that and people like actually noticed him and someone wrote I think fast company wrote an article and they're like what the hell are you doing he's like dude I've been around ad executives for the last 10 years or 5th or you know 5 years I've been around tech people I needed to get out of my bubble and so I just went and worked at mcdonald's and I learned it's really hard work and I'm so thankful that I am where I am and I'm gonna go back to the

Shaan Puri

he didn't just do it for like a day this wasn't like a field trip like he he actually worked there for like months months

Sam Parr

yeah and he worked there and then he left and he started meetup.com which I think eventually was worth 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars sold it and as of late if you go to his linkedin he has not made an ordeal out of this this is all other people like us talking about it making an ordeal out of of it but now he's an amazon warehouse worker and he's working in the amazon warehouse and he kinda is doing the exact same thing and I think that's so baller that he's doing that and so baller that he is not doing it for pr it's like some soul searching thing and I think it's fantastic I think it's pretty badass so he was kind I don't he's not actually a billionaire but he's quite wealthy I I would imagine

Shaan Puri

it's that bill it's that billy mindset

Sam Parr

it's that bill he's got that he's got b energy

Shaan Puri

living life on your own terms he he is doing that love it okay that that's a good one that's a good

Sam Parr

pull alright what's next

Shaan Puri

now this one well this one is frame breaking person so we should explain this one so both you and I love one specific thing that I don't even think other people have a word for we call it frame breaking somebody who breaks your frame Scott is a great example of this it's somebody who lives their life or acts in a way that sort of defies your expectation breaks your frame on what's either normal what's acceptable what's possible what's cool it's somebody who just lives differently in a way that just shatters your your your norm your worldview norm and I I wanted to make a category for this because this is one of my favorite things when I meet somebody who's like this so frame breaking person who did you have this year

Sam Parr

I'll I'll say frame breaking is this guy brian johnson so brian johnson is the guy who wants to live forever guy and he's frame breaking not because the he wants to live forever shit which is definitely cool but I hung out with him and so for those who don't know brian johnson is the guy who started a company that kinda turned into venmo and a bunch of other things he sold it for $500,000,000 and now he's spending a lot of money to try to live forever and you see him on instagram all the time he said something to me I was like why are you doing this you know and we were just talking about stuff and he goes you know I read this book on magellan and magellan was a a sailor and explorer in the 1500 to 1400 and he basically sailed around the globe and he proved all this amazing stuff and I just thought it was so amazing and I was starting to and I made a list of like the top 10 top 15 people to ever live and what their contributions were you know the wright brothers with flight the person who invented electricity or discovered electricity like people like that and he's like none of them were like rich like it like money didn't impact people it didn't impact the world as much and I just thought that if I could solve like a really hard problem and contribute to the world I thought that that would be a life worth living and I just decided that I'm gonna try and do everything in my day to be renowned in the year 2,500 he's like in 2,500 I hope to create like and contribute to the to society in such a way that in 2,500 they talk about me and I thought that was absolutely bananas I don't know if I wanna do that but I thought it was so cool that he was like I don't care about money because money and I was like he's like that he's like who was the richest person 500 years ago I was like I don't I don't I don't know he's like yeah that's my.

Sam Parr

But you've heard of magellan and so I thought it was such a frame breaking moment for me to to like hear his reasoning as to why he's trying to do what he's doing which is prolong death or solve for death he's like if I solve that would you say that well I'll be remembered I was like yeah yeah you you will and he's like that's how I wanna spend my day

Shaan Puri

that's an amazing answer I love that he did that just all the things you just said making a list of the 15 most most impactful or influential people ever what a what a list I think I I wanna go do that just to even see what that was he should

Sam Parr

probably look at the it was like it was like orville it was the wright brothers it was the the gutenberg press it was magellan like there was like 10 of them he was like these changed the world forever and he's like do you know how many of them are like rich people none they were just like inventors or something like that

Shaan Puri

I thought you were gonna say orville redenbacher and I was like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna complain if that's the if he if he's on the list okay so my answer for frame breaking person is nick gray and

Sam Parr

I could say that

Shaan Puri

this is gonna be a a answer but it's my true answer this is my truth and I'm gonna speak my truth it's not it's not elon musk it's somebody I met I hung out with I had a a flight so I went and spoke at this event and they they were like hey we'll we'll fly you private and I was like okay cool and nick was going to the same place as I was he's like hey can I come with you and I was like yeah no problem that'd be great nick was

Sam Parr

the same in that situation

Shaan Puri

yeah exactly so I was like 1 on 1 with him for like 5 hours or something which is that's a long time that's a long conversation that's like more time than I spend talking to most people right and I walked away and I'm just gonna read you my text to my sister after I hung out with nick so I hung out with nick I tried to play cool and afterwards I get off the plane I go I just hang out with a guy who has has such a zest for life I go I've hung out with a lot of rich people but this guy's rich in a different way he is rich in social wealth he's got tons of friends he is rich in amusement I feel like everything he does in a way everything he does in a day amuses him and he's doing it on his terms I go he is corny and totally himself in the best way possible and I I just wanna tell you a couple of the things that just stood out to me like prolific things this guy did this year so we've talked about the tokyo blind date where he says I wanna go to tokyo but I don't wanna go alone I fill out this Google form and I wanna take 1 person on a blind date with me to tokyo and he gets thousands of responses he picks a girl he almost falls in love on this date he does the whole thing publicly and it goes viral this guy's having fun the next thing he does he goes to india he stays in india for like a month and I'm like what are you doing in india I'm indian I haven't been to india for a month in like 10 years and he's like oh I just love the culture I just wanted to go I know I have a couple of friends that I've met in other travels I just wanna go visit their hometown and so he goes to these like remote towns in india and he's learning their way of life and their foods and all this stuff and he's blogging about it and he knows that in india one of the ways that people like they don't have hinge or tinder in the same way like the the old school way in india is you run what's called a matrimonial ad in the newspaper so this is how my mom met my dad which was my dad runs an ad it says you know 21 years old 6 feet tall you know have a bachelor's degree in engineering you know good head of hair comes from a good family that sort of thing and nick finds this so amusing he's like I gotta do this so he runs a matrimonio ad and actually he starts av testing different matrimonio ads and he's showing them to me it's like 59 full set of teeth like you know you know like he was has a blog you know what I mean things like that?

Sam Parr

He was like how do I make sure that she's like fit and like not like crazy overweight and I was like we were like like could you like put like I have to be able to lift you on my like I wanna be able to lift you on my shoulders like I'm not strong

Shaan Puri

yeah yeah exactly so so he's running these ads but he's not running it like as a prank he was genuinely curious and interested to see what we and he just he just over and over again had these little life experiments and just followed he just I the way I texted my sister I go I feel like he's just taking the bounce of the ball of life and he's just going with it so for example I'm like dude you should like start a youtube channel or something he goes oh I have one I go what I've never seen it and he shows me his youtube channel do you know what his youtube channel is

Sam Parr

I've watched the videos but what do you mean what it what it is

Shaan Puri

it's reviews of like cruise ships yeah of which bedrooms he likes on cruise ships because he likes cruises and guess what all his followers are old people who retire and go on cruises and they're like thanks I'm going on its cruise next year I retired I'm 74 I I was wondering if the bathrooms come with the vanity kit and like sure enough that's what but he's so into it that he just I've always said the best product is you pushed out and that to me is nick gray nick gray he just took it himself and flipped himself inside out and he was pushing himself out in the world and if you love it if you hate it he really could care less it seems like and I just found it I don't know very like eye opening to see somebody who is their own corny self on on full blast and I really admire that for example he's I'm interested in stocks he's interested in stocks but the way he's interested in stocks is different he is a huge fan of one stock you know the one

Sam Parr

cloudflare

Shaan Puri

cloudflare he hosts his birthday party at cloudflare he creates a whatsapp group of other cloudflare believers and every earnings call he texts the group and he says like you know I hope the earnings gods are with us today I'm feeling lucky I'm wearing this and I'm just I I I'm ready for all that this q q two call brings us and he's dude

Sam Parr

listen to what he did group he he you know I met nick gray because we were all bloggers like 10 years ago and he you know there's like 30 of us friends who are bloggers he went to each of us and he goes I noticed your website is hosted on whatever godaddy this or that would it be okay if my assistant transferred your account from godaddy to cloudflare or do it completely for free and in fact the hosting property or the hosting thing that you have they're charging you a $100 a month cloudflare was gonna charge you $40 a month I went and got a deal I was like why are you doing this he goes because I'm a shareholder of cloudflare and I need you guys to start using it because I think you're gonna love it even more dude I swear to god he switched my blog to cloudflare for free and now I'm saving $600 a year

Shaan Puri

he's like a shareholder of his own life in a way that I am not he's like an activist shareholder it's like he he was like what are the best gyms that have swimming pools and saunas in new york and he found them and they were super busy but what he realized was that the all the gyms had poor seo and when he was googling for best gym and sauna like nothing was really coming up and so what he did was he started writing blogs about other gyms as if they had the best pool and sauna not the one that was near him that actually did so that it would go down in the rankings and be less busy so that he would have it more to himself and these are just like little life experiments he was doing and he made 1,000,000 of dollars doing this too because he loved museums so he created a business about renegade museum tours where he would take you on his own tour because museums are boring and he's not boring and he would take you on his own tour unofficially not a part of the museum ended up selling that for 1,000,000 of dollars he like we did the thing about his gag at the party where on the way out he's like hey sean call my phone I've got a gag I'm like gag he's like yeah I have a gag I wanna do a little bit I'm like a bit are you a comedian what's going on and then I call his phone and he whips out this phone case that looks like a butcher's knife like a machete and and he puts it up to his ear and goes hello and he just wanted to make us laugh and I'm like this guy just goes through life trying to make himself laugh I the the the last text I sent my sister I go it's like he you know the movie limitless it like it's like he took the limitless pill but instead of it getting he didn't give him any superpowers he just is using that pill to enjoy his life in a way that's where the rest of us are not and so he broke my frame

Sam Parr

our friend sahil sahil bloom he's got this new shtick where he shares like text like he's like in these group chats and I guess he'll say like some inspirational shit that he'll like he'll tweet it out he's like here's what I shared with this chat and it's like

Shaan Puri

like a realization this morning

Sam Parr

first of all

Shaan Puri

we have my highest enemy

Sam Parr

I have to say I love sahil so I'm saying this with love but he'll say something like yeah like live laugh love for dudes type of

Shaan Puri

shit yeah and

Sam Parr

like you know like you know the thing about wizub is that you only earn it through like hardship like you know whatever and then some guy retweeted he goes bro it's a dude had said this in my group chat he's getting kicked out right away and your sister's reply to that is like like yeah

Shaan Puri

exactly she went to a she went to his blog and was just like he looks funny and then moved on with life I was like yeah I just typed you like an essay about how this man changed my life and she's like I googled him and searched him

Sam Parr

so you're like dude do you like oprah because I'm doing some oprah level shit right here and she just like dismissed you that's pretty funny

Shaan Puri

nick rae is the man

Sam Parr

nick rae is the man are we gonna do favorite guest now

Shaan Puri

yeah let's do best guest and then we'll do best idea best business idea that we had on the podcast so let's do best guest first who you got

Sam Parr

this is I worked really hard not to have recency bias but amjad from replit we barely even talked about like the financials of his business but I'm pretty sure it's like a $1,000,000,000 company right or like in

Shaan Puri

that yeah last last round was like right under $1,000,000,000

Sam Parr

so like right you know he built this huge company I think he's only 36 or 37 crazy smart like his blog is so good he's not just smart like you talk to him like you he like is prolific he writes all this amazing stuff he he said one little small line that like I could have dismissed as like a fortune cookie thing but he was like telling how he makes the decisions based off of what will be a better movie but he gave like 8 examples of that and I totally bought in and I thought that he was amazing and one of the reasons was because of that like live life to be a good movie I thought it was fantastic

Shaan Puri

yeah he he said whenever whenever I'm at a fork in the road on a decision of what to do in life I just ask well we'll make the better story yeah and then I just do that one

Sam Parr

it was great he was so fascinating that episode I on youtube I think it has 200,000 views it was it was a huge hit and it was one of those things where we were recording it and he's like he's low energy and oftentimes high energy people will do better because that's just like whatever how people are but and I was like I am enthralled by this podcast like a lot of times if you spend an hour and a half on zoom you get tired I was totally excited at the end of that pod and he was a very low mellow low energy mellow guy and and I was like I don't know if this is gonna hit or not but I I love it and so it totally hit so a lot of people thought he was amazing as well

Shaan Puri

yeah there's there's almost half a 1000000 downloads across youtube and and audio on that one oh really wow yeah it's at 3:30 on youtube alright so mine I have 2 1 is the highest viewed episode of the year and one is the lowest viewed episode of the year so I'll start with the obvious one the highest viewed episode this is the episode I did with manish prapay

Sam Parr

does that have 2,000,000

Shaan Puri

I think it was it's at 2 and a half 1000000 on youtube alone wow so it's the first first first podcast episode we've been doing this for 4 or 5 years now first podcast episode that crossed like a million on on youtube so that was cool to see but in the moment I knew it was a banger like it was the I I felt like it was the best best best podcast I've ever done I remember preparing for it for 2 weeks I flew out there we hired a film crew we went to his house I went to his house the day before and hung out with him to like kinda warm up and prep him like I I gave it my absolute all for that interview and it and it paid off he told he said 2 things that there's 3 things that stood out to me about him he gave this story on the podcast about I was like so what alright you've told me about buffett you've told me about yourself you've told me about you you know your friendship with charlie munger like what makes a great investor and he basically was he gave me the keys he was like you know people think the money's made in the buyer buying and the selling it's made in the waiting and he basically told the story about he goes you ever watched seinfeld you know that episode where elaine goes on a she gets this new boyfriend and it's going great and elaine loves this guy and he he seems so perfect and then they go on vacation together and on the flight she's got like snacks and a movie and like all the stuff to like entertain her and he just sits there and he's just staring at the seat in front of him just raw dogging it and she's like are you sure you don't want like to watch this or read a book or do you wanna snack and he's like no I'm I'm fine and she's like by the end of the flight she's like I gotta break up with this guy like this guy's a maniac for just sitting there staring at the seat back in front of him

Sam Parr

and what a brilliant a brilliant episode idea to just

Shaan Puri

I know right

Sam Parr

how do you come up with that just like he's perfect except he stares at the seat in front of him on a flight

Shaan Puri

yeah she's just like I can't do it I can't do it and he's like that guy would make a great investor if you can have fun watching the paint dry you can be a great investor and my takeaway was like oh I'm probably not gonna be a great investor got it got it stop me but at least I knew what the formula was the other things were by I've I've the life hack of going to these people's houses for the podcast hold

Sam Parr

on that was a really good comment I know what the that ain't for me but I know what the formula is that's actually pretty cool

Shaan Puri

yes you know you know the answer same thing with amjad amjad goes I've realized you know my advantage my advantage is that I persist I I can push the boulder up the mountain for a long time like I'm just willing to endure and I was like oh okay cool not gonna compete with you yeah I can't do that

Sam Parr

you're like I'm happy I know what it takes and I'm happy I don't have it

Shaan Puri

yeah exactly the girl oh she's really into a guy who's you know got these traits alright it's not me good nice to meet you see you later so going to these people's houses I think is just this life hack where you pick up so much of their energy and their lifestyle and their way of being like I did monish right before I did joe lonsdale joe lonsdale you go to his house it's this oh it's this elaborate mansion beautiful beautiful mansion you know backyard olympic sized swimming pool with statues that are shooting water out of their mouth and and he's got like an old gun from the victorian age and that's like what he's into he's got a full staff that's serving us breakfast and just like full staff that just operates in his house and he's like a high performance machine and right after we left elon musk was coming over for a a lunch with the you know the senators of of of of the area and I was like wow this is a lifestyle that I just it you know broke my frame then I go to manish's house and we're like hey can we come over he said yeah sure stop by I'm like is it okay if we come between 4 and 4:20 he's like yeah come whenever you want and we go over and he's hanging out he's wearing basketball shorts and his his flip flops and he just took a nap which he does every day and he shows us his nap room and he's like yeah like my whole job is to make you know a couple great decisions a year so I just read and I think and I just try to have a great calm state of mind and I meet interesting people and that's all I do I don't have to like go go go go go and I don't have to beat the senators and I don't have to have and he shows me his library where we record the podcast he's got thousands of books he's read all of them and it was just so interesting to see these different these different ways to win and then you see them up close in person and that's just a very different style that's shadowing them for a day like with joe lonsdale I went in the morning at 8 am and I did the morning workout with him and then I had breakfast with him then we jumped to the cold plunge all of that before the podcast hanging out with these people was the real win the podcast was just the cherry on top so that was that was my favorite and then I'll also give a shout out to the lowest viewed episode of the year that I thought was amazing which was the episode I did with mike posner also went to his house and this had the lowest views because you know he's a rapper musician maybe it's not a fit with our audience I think this guy was amazing he was he was an incredibly positive guy and he had all these little micro lessons that were amazing 2 of them that stood out to me 1 was he has this phrase where he was talking about how he he made this hit song his first song went like quadruple platinum and then he was always chasing that high in his twenties to do it again the next song went double platinum but it felt like a failure in comparison next song single platinum oh my god he's on this downswing and then the next one didn't even go platinum and he's like the mistake I was making was I would go to the studio try to make a hit and I went there to try to make a hit song and on my that wasn't how I made my first hit song first hit song I just did what I thought was dope and then then I just started trying to play the game too much trying to make hits and I all I succeeded was making something I hated and I just thought this is such a applicable thing for business especially for people out there who have not tasted their first big win and all they want is a big win or they have a big win and that they need they feel the need to top that with their next one and they start going to the studio to try to make a hit and he said at the end of the day I figured out I'm just gonna make what's cool to me and sometimes the whole world will agree and I just thought that was such a dope philosophy as a creator to to take which is I'm just gonna make what's dope for me and then once in a while the whole world will agree with me

Sam Parr

which by the way like very meta example here the the I don't know how the audio did but the youtube on this did 13,000 that's like one of the lower in the past year I listened to it and I loved it I thought it was so good and then the comments are this is the best episode ever the second comment this was the best episode mfm episode ever like people loved it in the comments and for some reason it didn't get views that's insane it's also good not to chase those views I think because this is I thought it was fantastic it's weird why do you think it didn't hit

Shaan Puri

to take his approach doesn't matter I just do what's cool to me and sometimes the whole world agrees and sometimes they don't most of the time they don't that's okay and so the the you know the two examples I gave and the monish one okay gets 3,000,000 plays in that case the whole world agreed but I felt the same way about the mike poser one I'm proud of both of them the same because I thought they were both dope

Sam Parr

alright last two categories best product what do you have

Shaan Puri

I have a lame answer I'll go quick it's just chat gpt

Sam Parr

yeah it's pretty dope

Shaan Puri

it's the same product I would have picked last year but it got way better like the same product it's the same name but it's a totally better product I and I also have found new ways to use it it's almost like you got onto hogwarts and you're learning new like oh you're learning how to use your wand it's like oh wow I got I could do that spell with it I could do this with it that's how ai feels to me and I just wrote chat gbt as my my quick way of saying it

Sam Parr

dude I had a friend over some family friends over yesterday for christmas and he's worked at openai for 4 years I cornered him

Shaan Puri

strapped him down just cornered him turned him

Sam Parr

and he's a lot smarter than me and I I had my hand on his shoulder I was like here you go have a seat have a seat sit down there's a computer and here's a list of questions you wanna start from the top let's get let's get after it yeah we'll eat turkey later but have a seat it was just pep wring up with questions I think that was a chatgpt is a good one

Shaan Puri

what was yours best product

Sam Parr

this thing it says well the focus is is it a brick the focus is off it's the brick this is a $29 thing it has some type of I don't know what is it called the rf id whatever

Shaan Puri

so for the audio audio listener sam's holding up a little tiny square it's like you know 1 inch by 1 inch and this is a thing that just nukes your phone

Sam Parr

it's basically it's the size of an airpod case and it's a piece of plastic with some type of chip in there you download their app I think this thing is $25 every morning when I'm getting ready to go to the gym I walk by my door and I brick my phone which means it's completely unusable other than making phone calls so my wife can call me for an emergency spotify and my workout app and so I will keep it like that until noon usually so I can't answer text I can't use slack can't use email no wikipedia no chrome all I could use is truecoach which is where I have my workouts phone call for emergency and spotify and it is awesome it makes my life just a little bit better every morning I've I'm I'm a big fan of these guys have you ever used one

Shaan Puri

I have not used it maybe I should that's a good case

Sam Parr

it's awesome man you can like I have like a workout setting and then you could have like driving settings so you could just make it like youtube and like I I listen to podcasts on youtube so you could have youtube and maps available like that's it and so it's pretty cool and I can't unbrick my phone unless I come home and I scan it again and so it's it's pretty amazing so that's been my best product

Shaan Puri

and is there like an emergency oh like oh for real for real I need Google maps right now like is there a way to override it if you needed to

Sam Parr

yeah but I think you only get 3 times to do that and the 3rd time you do it this brick that you've purchased it's useless and so it's just like oh but I bought that thing for $30 I want it to work like that type of like resistance is is just enough

Shaan Puri

yeah I don't know if I'm built for that level of self discipline you know back in the day I bought that wristband called pavlok which is basically like pavlovian training for yourself so it's a wristband where you electrocute yourself you get a slight you get a you get a small electric shock not actually that small but you get electric shock in your arm it kinda hurt when you do something it was like out but you know I was using it for my diet and it's like okay I'm gonna eat this piece of pizza and then I gotta like voluntarily push this button to like shock myself and I just didn't and instead all I used it for was just a conversation piece like I'd be somewhere and be like what's that I'd be like oh try this on watch this and it became my party trick yeah to be cool instead of me having anything to do check it out

Sam Parr

I'm I'm a freak I'm unique

Shaan Puri

yeah exactly like so you use it I'm like no no no no does it work I have no idea I don't even try

Sam Parr

what's

Shaan Puri

what the hell if I know

Sam Parr

yeah you gotta you should try this it's pretty awesome and then the change that you're gonna make next year mine's mine's fast I'm getting an office I'm sick of like working from home all the time yeah like I I it's it's cool a few days a week I guess and it's cool when you have to do it but yeah I I we're getting an office I'm getting an office I need to be around people it's just like you know even when business is going well you're like yeah let's get on a zoom and

Shaan Puri

but your company is remote so you're gonna get an office and then there's local people or what do

Sam Parr

you think we have 20 employees and like 11 of them are in new york city so we have enough and so we're gonna not in new york

Shaan Puri

so what are you gonna do

Sam Parr

I live an hour away so I'll just go 3 days a week

Shaan Puri

oh my god what a horrible decision do I have to talk my friend out of signing up for a voluntary 2 hours of commuting a day do I need to show him the statistics that show how much you hate your life during your commute

Sam Parr

feel like the alternative is that I'm just like in my kitchen and it's like I celebrate with an emoji you know like just playing

Shaan Puri

I let you break your phone I let you care about dressing up I let you do all these things that's you know they're they're self harm but I let you do it because there's some greater good commuting 2 hours a day is a horrible idea you go to your office

Sam Parr

how often do you when was the last time you saw a coworker I guess you worked with your wife that doesn't count

Shaan Puri

here's what I did which was way more genius diego who's on this call right now who helps me with all my content he lived in baltimore as of a month ago and then I called diego and I said hey diego how would you like to live within 10 minutes of me and he's like oh I'd be down and I go cool how do we do that in the next 2 weeks he's like I guess I'd have to figure out a way to transport my dog and then he quit his job or not quit his job his wife quit his her job he broke his lease he rented an rv and drove across the country in 7 days and now he lives within 10 minutes of me and we see each other every day we transformed my garage into an office for ourselves and it's great and that's the way to do it

Sam Parr

wait so is is the expectation that he's gonna live in an rv for an extended. Of time or is he gonna rent a house

Shaan Puri

he got an apartment nearby and lives in a cool place and I told him I said hey you're moving to california so here's a pay raise to cover the cost of your move and the and the higher cost of living out here and come live in california who wants to be at baltimore bro and come come hang out with me it's gonna be way more fun and yeah that's a good idea to do it

Sam Parr

was it weird after not doing that for 3 years or whatever

Shaan Puri

well the weird part is like I realize how how distracted my schedule is because like he'll come over and we're supposed to work and then it'll be like oh but I gotta like go drop off my kid at school then I gotta come back then my trainer comes over and then I work again and then like my kid wants to play like jenga for a second so like be right back and I realize like oh you know when somebody else is there you're acutely aware that like wait hold on I'm taking a break right here and how many of those mini breaks I had so I had to kinda rejigger that to be a little more focus time but honestly it was like well it's just bet it's like all all the times we would be doing calls us being in person during those even if it's not perfect so so you know for example sometimes he just comes and works out of the office even before I'm there I'm dropping my keys off but he's just there he just treats it like an office and then we just happen to be there together a bunch of times but the the key for me is I don't have 20 people right so I could do this with because I have 2 people on my team and that's all I need

Sam Parr

yeah yeah I well I might do it in westport where I live but I you know where I work out most days is the library dude I'm in the library and it's just like me and then like 16 year old girls exercise no like tap like type on mike and peter like it's like I I I freaking love the library I work at a library all the time and I'm like

Shaan Puri

libraries have a great vibe

Sam Parr

dude it's so much better than like a coffee shop or a wework libraries are great yeah there's there you and I were in entrepreneur magazine last year and they have a copy of it like they have like a magazine section and you know I definitely move that magazine to the front and every once in a while I'll read it I'm like but we're not on the cover right

Shaan Puri

we're on the inside so you have to open it up

Sam Parr

I gotta open it up and when people walk by I gotta be like

Shaan Puri

who's that guy in the magazine is is he right there

Sam Parr

oh what

Shaan Puri

it's him for page 16 yeah

Sam Parr

oh did you did you just ask me if I yeah it is no I like the library what what's yours

Shaan Puri

okay library is a great one what category are we even on

Sam Parr

change you're making

Shaan Puri

oh change I'm making this is gonna sound stupid but it's not for me I'm all in on music this year I decided that I wanna be I wanna do more music stuff and so I picked up the piano again oh playing and I so I basically hired somebody to come teach me piano because I did it like in 7th grade and I can play like fur elise

Sam Parr

and that's it how many

Shaan Puri

lessons are you in I'm starting next week and the second one is I hired a guy because I've always like you can now make like most music is now made out of computer and I'm like oh yeah I know computers but I don't know how to make music on a computer and I kinda wanna see what's like the latest and greatest of that so I hired somebody who's like you know those people that know how to like make songs on a computer are you

Sam Parr

talking about like

Shaan Puri

so I'm hiring one of them

Sam Parr

like beats or like are you gonna like record a cover songs

Shaan Puri

whole songs

Sam Parr

you wanna write or you wanna cover original

Shaan Puri

start with covers yeah start with covers always and then and then learn to make an original song that that'll be really fun and so I and the reason why is well the reason why is because it's fun but 2 I 2 things are happening 1 ai is making it easier and easier to make art and software and things that I things that were previously off limits or would take a lot of skill to be able to do something cool now a little bit of coding skill lets you do a lot and a little bit of music skill can do a lot using using these new tools but also I've just like I have a a gym I go to for my physical body I want a creative gym and I got this idea from tim ferris he was talking about how one of the ways he he keeps his mind right and stays in a like an awesome state of mind and is able to produce great content and be really creative he works out his creativity he's like and it doesn't have to be in the thing I'm doing so if I'm writing a book it doesn't have to be that I have to just practice writing he's like I might paint or do drawing or calligraphy or archery or anything that is sort of like a a creative gym session yeah and I do that in the morning and he's like it's like when you go to the gym and then suddenly you have more energy and you're performing better at at work why is that same thing with a creative gym session so I I like that idea and I thought oh yeah this is something I could see more people doing in the future it makes sense to me I'm gonna start doing this just the way I I I go to the gym in the morning I'm gonna go to the creative gym you know 2 or 3 times a week and start doing something that's highly creative

Sam Parr

dude that's so good I think that's fantastic you know you know sarah takes my wife she takes piano and singing class classes like lessons and she's

Shaan Puri

on top of it

Sam Parr

you guys can can vibe out but what I'm trying to encourage her to do is sign up for some type of open mic night or just like something where it's like a per you can have like a recital

Shaan Puri

well dude I got inspired by my cousin he did this so I was like oh I'm gonna do this and then it's so funny when you put it out there people start just giving you clues on how to win so my sister was like oh yeah do you know our cousin neil he does that he's hired a piano coach he's doing it all the time and then he went to an old folks' home and he performs there once a week as his recital and it gives them so much joy and I'm like wow what a great win a low stakes way to have a performance

Sam Parr

yeah

Shaan Puri

that brings other people joy and it's just like so wholesome I was like why would

Sam Parr

you rate that when you're in my opinion when you're doing these new things you need like a capstone you need like an essay you need some type of beginning middle and end of like alright I have now achieved level 1 it's like that's kinda why karate is kinda cool because there's belts like you need some type of like break the wood board

Shaan Puri

at the end

Sam Parr

well there's like a it's like a belt like where it's like alright I am working towards this nice I cross the threshold next right like that framework is I think a very helpful you know with writing it's like I wanna publish a book it is published like you know there's some type of like destination I think that that would be cool that would be cool for you and I think it's by the way great like you you get you you and other people tease me for I I like clothing it's it's the same shit it's just like some type of creative like there's no money there's like it's about the journey that type of like vibe and it is exciting to like you know beauty and art like that shit feels good on the soul I think it's great that you're doing this I think that it would be really fun if you had some type of capstone project thing

Shaan Puri

yeah the other thing I'm doing is I'm taking the jesse itzler 2025 like how to plan your year and I'm actually doing it so like yesterday I was doing his get light part where I'm cleaning out I'm just getting rid of stuff I'm getting light before the end of the year and closing out the year properly I did my thanks stuff and I started writing my thank you notes like I'm I'm buying in and I'm actually doing it so if if you wanna hear it go listen to the jesse getsler episode I was pretty inspired by that I'll say this is

Sam Parr

we have the calendar

Shaan Puri

a good idea

Sam Parr

we we have the calendar I we use the calendar so like I sit in our little area where we have the calendar I I totally use it I think it's fantastic isn't it crazy how some of these things maybe 2627 year old sam and sean would have made fun of these things as whack

Shaan Puri

100%

Sam Parr

and now it it's sort of like even like you'd be like who what what is this this is stupid it's awesome isn't that funny how we're like

Shaan Puri

I'm like going to bed early is so awesome I'm like I used to tell myself all kinds of stories about why I was a night owl how that was more fun how you know it'd be lame to go to bed and if a friend was going to bed at 9:30 I'd be like lame now I'm like jealous if I hear about a friend that goes to bed at 9:30 like oh fuck how does he do that I need I need to learn

Sam Parr

this is a great pod what do you think I think it's great it's one

Shaan Puri

of my favorite traditions thank you everybody for listening another great year in the books the greatest podcast ever created

Sam Parr

we did something we had to do this like ad for spotify and when we did it sean was like you know spotify told us to thank you guys but in actuality you should be thanking us because we're the one who just did all the work to like make this content for you but I am pretty thankful of everyone who works on the pod I'm also thankful for the people who actually listen to this shit like it it like it shocks me sometimes when people come up to me still and they're like yeah you sent this thing and this thing and like it made a difference to me and I feel so much gratitude when like people do those things and I'm so happy that we're able to do this this

Shaan Puri

alright and on that note that's

Sam Parr

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