BNPL Ethics Tension

Sam Parr and Shaan Puri debate the ethics and utility of Buy Now Pay Later (BNPL) services like Affirm, revealing contrasting views on consumer credit and financial responsibility.

Sam Parr's Position (Against):

  • Fundamentally opposed to BNPL services for everyday consumer purchases
    • Believes it's "stupid" to use BNPL for small purchases like "$29 pants"
    • Makes exception for larger purchases like contractor services
  • Views BNPL as problematic American phenomenon
    • Notes that credit cards are less common in Europe
    • Sees it as culturally specific issue
  • Personal credit experience:
    • Has limited credit history
    • Personal credit card limit of $4,000
    • Recently experienced high fees when trying to use Affirm

Shaan Puri's Position (Supporting):

  • Strongly supports credit services including BNPL
    • Believes credit helps economy move
    • Views it as individual responsibility rather than company fault
  • Key arguments for BNPL:
    • Often offers 0% interest to customers
    • Companies make money from merchant fees (7%)
    • Provides valuable service for larger purchases
  • Philosophy on consumer responsibility:
    • "Don't hate the player, hate the game" mentality
    • Places burden on individual rather than company
    • Believes transparency about fees and terms is key
  • Personal experience:
    • Successfully used Affirm for large purchase (8 sleep mattress)
    • Got 0% interest due to good credit score

Areas of Agreement:

  • Both acknowledge need for transparency in fees
  • Both see value in credit for larger purchases
  • Both recognize credit scoring system needs improvement
56:03 - 01:02:18
Full video: 01:06:00
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Sam Parr

Host of MFM and fitness influencer

Sam Parr is a serial entrepreneur and business media pioneer.

In 2016, he founded The Hustle, a business news media company that started in his kitchen with just $12 and grew to eight figures in revenue.

Sam led the charge in making newsletters popular when few believed in their potential.

After four successful years, he sold The Hustle to HubSpot, a publicly traded company. Now operating as HubSpot Media, The Hustle reaches 3 million readers daily, employs a team of nearly 100, and has been the launchpad for dozens of its staff to found their own media companies and newsletters.

Sam remains the host of the popular business podcast, My First Million, and continues to start and sell companies. He also co-founded Hampton, a highly vetted community for entrepreneurs, founders, and CEOs, and teaches people to write better through his platform, Copy That.

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